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EU Brexit impact - Treasury Analysis
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In what way was ignoring the will of the Greek people NOT a dilution of democracy?
Again this nonsense comes up and again I'm going to address it. In what sense, at any point along the path to where we are now, was a single one of the choices made, not made by the Greek people?
Borrowing - The Greek state made the choice to borrow the money to produce magical growth. When that failed to materialise we got...
Bailouts - The Greek people chose to accept the bailouts.
Austerity - Greece had her chance to reject it, and chose not to in the end.
Stop peddling myths.0 -
Miss_Samantha wrote: »Interestingly, if the population growth is stopped then by definition the ratio of elderly to working age people will get worse and worse and thus the NHS and pensions will be under increased pressure.
When it comes to schools, hospitals, and infrastructure in general immigration is simply a scapegoat. The key issue is that the government does not want to invest, and perhaps also that we do not want to pay for proper infrastructure.
Ahh the old pensions myth - there are plenty of countries with little on no immigration that prove this a nonsense. There are sound ways for planning for pensions that do not require a relentless Human tide.
As to the NHS, if we had stable population and trained a fraction of our 1.5 million unemployed to work there, it would be sustainable. I note you make no mention of desperately poor nations having their medical personal taken away from them - aren't us Brits ever satisfied? I thought you cared about the developing world...
You think it's an environmental triumph to take low impact developing world citizens and turn them into high impact / high consumption British citizens?
What is your vision of the SE in say 100 years time? Talk me through the congestion, using up valuable crop growing land, the ever increasing food demand leading to ever more intensive farming methods and crop sprays to improve yields, the consumption, the waste, the impacts on wildlife?
How will it feel to be surrounded by the Human swarm at most every turn?0 -
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Again this nonsense comes up and again I'm going to address it. In what sense, at any point along the path to where we are now, was a single one of the choices made, not made by the Greek people?
Borrowing - The Greek state made the choice to borrow the money to produce magical growth. When that failed to materialise we got...
Bailouts - The Greek people chose to accept the bailouts.
Austerity - Greece had her chance to reject it, and chose not to in the end.
Stop peddling myths.
Argentina twice defaulted on foreign debt, devalued it's currency and relatively rapidly recovered. Greece had it followed this path would not be looking at decades of eye watering debt stress. A higher power circumvented the self determination the Greeks would have enjoyed outside of the EU. Sure they borrowed too much, but that's another story.0 -
Argentina twice defaulted on foreign debt, devalued it's currency and relatively rapidly recovered. Greece had it followed this path would not be looking at decades of eye watering debt stress. A higher power circumvented the self determination the Greeks would have enjoyed outside of the EU. Sure they borrowed too much, but that's another story.
No, absolutely false. The option to default was always on the table for Greece since they are a sovereign nation. They made the choice not to.
I can't even make sense of your argument.0 -
Miss_Samantha wrote: »Yes, it does.
But perhaps you think that Brexit should mean that the UK will leave all the existing European agreements and institutions and start negotiating over from scratch.
Both sides have a vested interested in a swift and orderly transition, after all, the shivering cowards tell us our exit could spell trouble for global markets*, so why magnify the pain.
*The quivering cowards tell us on the one hand Britain is too small and insignificant to thrive, 'a small island drifting off into the North Atlantic' and yet - so potent and relevant on the world stage that we will cause global collapse, lol0 -
Both sides have a vested interested in a swift and orderly transition, after all, the shivering cowards tell us our exit could spell trouble for global markets, so why magnify the pain.
So what's the concrete plan for the UK if we vote leave?
How many immigrants per year?
What will our trading terms be?
How many jobs will we gain or lose?
Which other countries have said they'd prefer us to leave the EU and are willing to enter into better trading arrangements with us if we do?
And where can I read all about the details that have been agreed amongst the various leave factions?“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0
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