Clocking in machine fast

Jinx

I use timesheets to calculate wages and currently after the clocks being changed the clocks are clearly 2 mins out as the entire workforce is clocking in and out 2 mins adrift and the fob times aren't matching the hooter for start and end times....


So as you might expect, people appear to be leaving early, except you can see they are fobbing in earlier than normal too....


Where I work we allow 2 mins leeway for the clocks and anything more than 6 minutes late will result in a deduction of 15 mins and leaving early will always incur a deduction on the premise you can be held up on the way to work but no excuse to leave early - seems fairly simple. Maintenance have been notified to update the system to resolve asap....


I really would have thought OP that common sense would be applied at your work. But if the clocks cant be changed I'd just go with the works clock for the sake of less than 3 minutes and a 'full' pay packet....

stator

sangie595 wrote: »

An excellent point, given that the OP only really needs to post this "problem" if it is a problem; and the only way it gets to be a problem is if they are consistently late.

Not true. It's a problem if you are consistently on time but the system marks you down as late. It may not be possible to just turn up 2 minutes earlier than planne. Train and bus times, school times etc aren't all flexible. If you turn up for work on time you shouldn't have to worry about crap like incorrect time keeping machines.
I really hate the whole 'holier than though' crap we get on these forums.

sangie595

stator wrote: »

Not true. It's a problem if you are consistently on time but the system marks you down as late. It may not be possible to just turn up 2 minutes earlier than planne. Train and bus times, school times etc aren't all flexible. If you turn up for work on time you shouldn't have to worry about crap like incorrect time keeping machines.
I really hate the whole 'holier than though' crap we get on these forums.

Wow, not being holier than thou. It's simple - two minutes is not enough of a safety zone under any circumstances if you know you must clock in at or by a specific time to get paid. And it certainly isn't if you have known the time on the clock for two years. In the end, there is no law that says the clock must be set to exact GMT. If it were half an hour out, or it was normally right and then suddenly wasn't, or it said a different time every day, there may be a reasonable case to be argued, but not over an alleged two minutes that is the same day in and day out. If you always aim to be exactly on time, the chances are that you will be late more often than not.

If, as you have stated previously, don't want to turn up to work 15 minutes (or whatever) early because it is a waste of your time, that is your choice. But if that then means that you are consistently late because that is not enough of a safety zone to allow for school times and transport delays, then the consequences are also your own choice. The clock in this case is two minutes fast, it is said, but turning up five minutes before your start time would sort that out, although that still doesn't leave a lot of room for delays.

And none of this is, anyway, relevant. If you can just let the OP know which law the employer is breaking, so that they can threaten to, or take their employer to court, then that ends all discussion. Alternatively, if the whole workforce were to go out on strike over the time on the clock, that might get it changed - or might get them all sacked. Past that, the only opinion that matters is the employers, and it is their opinion that the clock is correct and the OP needs to be on time according to the clock.

stator

You're missing the point. The OP was NOT LATE.

And no, the employer doesn't have any right to deduct your wages if you are on time, no matter what a fauly machine says.

Cycrow

sometimes its not possible to simply arrive 15 minutes earlier.

i worked at a place where i had to get the first bus of the day. Which got me to work just about on time (usually 5 minutes before my shift starts)

to arrive earlier i would have to have taken an earlier bus, which would have been 7 hours earlier. I really am not going to arrive to work 7 hours early for my shift just to try and avoid being a few minutes late

sangie595

stator wrote: »

You're missing the point. The OP was NOT LATE.

And no, the employer doesn't have any right to deduct your wages if you are on time, no matter what a fauly machine says.

As requested previously, please could you tell me which law this is? Then the OP knows which law to quote when they go to the employer.


And no, I am not missing the point. There is no other definition of late than the clocking in machine unless you can find me a law that says that clocking in machines must be on the exact GMT time. The point is that there is no law to remedy this.

Undervalued

stator wrote: »

You're missing the point. The OP was NOT LATE.

And no, the employer doesn't have any right to deduct your wages if you are on time, no matter what a fauly machine says.

No, you are missing the point.

With a clocking in system the person is paid for the time they are actually at work, maybe subject to a minimum accounting period.

So, unless the alleged inaccuracy of the clock fluctuates during the day, the length of time between clocking in and out will be correct.


So, if it is two minutes fast compared to GMT, yes they need to clock in two minutes early for, say, a 9am start but they can also clock out two minutes early for a 5pm finish too. So, no loss.

stator

The contract with the employer is to start at a certain time, that time would be GMT/BST. There is no basis for deducting wages unless that contract is breached. Deducting wages outside of the contract has no legal basis.
The procedures at the employer may not allow you to 'make up' time and may not count the 2 minutes later in the afternoon. For example if you arrive at 9:01 and it counts that as a 15 minute block you might have to stay until 17:45 to 'make up', if that's possible. It may not be. Many employers do not allow even the slightest flexitime, eg the production line may shut down at 17:15 so there is nowhere to make up time anyway.

Either way, the OP wasn't looking for smart-alec comments like "Turn up for work early" which clearly contributes nothing except to make yourselves feel clever at the OPs expense. Telling someone to turn up early for work is the most useless comment I can think of, you might as well not bother posting it. If you can't help the OP you should probably avoid ruining their thread with your smart-alec comments.

swingaloo

How do the rest of the workforce get on?

Cycrow

And even if you do stay over it still may not be counted.

one place i worked at if you clocked in at 9:01 then out at 6:15 (assuming 9-6) you would still end up 15 minutes docked.

as the clock out time will be changed to your finishing time, regardless of when you actually clocked out.

sometimes i could clock it at 8:59 but then have that time changed manually to 9:15 and still lose the 15 minutes. Not all companies use clocking in machines the same way