Clocking in machine fast

Ben4d90

So I've been in my current job for about 2 years now and, for the entire time I've been there, the clocking in machine has always been about 2 minutes and 15 seconds fast. This has been an issue as, if you clock in past your start time, even just by a minute or 2, you lose 15 mins pay, but in order to get that 15 back on the end you would need to wait until 15 mins past the finish time.

This error on the system has resulted in me losing 15 mins pay many times where I have clocked in on time but, due to the machine being fast, it has been counted as late. I have mentioned this to my manager several times, to which he has denied that it is fast, even when showing him the correct time on my phone which is set by the internet.

Is this breaking the law? Would I be able to make a claim for all of the pay I have lost because of this?

sangie595

Ben4d90 wrote: »

So I've been in my current job for about 2 years now and, for the entire time I've been there, the clocking in machine has always been about 2 minutes and 15 seconds fast. This has been an issue as, if you clock in past your start time, even just by a minute or 2, you lose 15 mins pay, but in order to get that 15 back on the end you would need to wait until 15 mins past the finish time.

This error on the system has resulted in me losing 15 mins pay many times where I have clocked in on time but, due to the machine being fast, it has been counted as late. I have mentioned this to my manager several times, to which he has denied that it is fast, even when showing him the correct time on my phone which is set by the internet.

Is this breaking the law? Would I be able to make a claim for all of the pay I have lost because of this?

For an entire two years you have known that the clocking in clock is 2 minutes and 15 seconds fast - and you aren't able to work out that by arriving 2 minutes and 20 seconds earlier you won't be clocking in late?

No it isn't against the law - there is no law on clocking in machines. Either arrive a bit earlier or don't clock in until you are 14 minutes and 45 seconds "late", and then you will be working the exact hours.

Murphybear

If the clocking in machine is a couple of minutes fast then presumably you can leave a couple of minutes early?

motorguy

Ben4d90 wrote: »

So I've been in my current job for about 2 years now and, for the entire time I've been there, the clocking in machine has always been about 2 minutes and 15 seconds fast. This has been an issue as, if you clock in past your start time, even just by a minute or 2, you lose 15 mins pay, but in order to get that 15 back on the end you would need to wait until 15 mins past the finish time.

This error on the system has resulted in me losing 15 mins pay many times where I have clocked in on time but, due to the machine being fast, it has been counted as late. I have mentioned this to my manager several times, to which he has denied that it is fast, even when showing him the correct time on my phone which is set by the internet.

Is this breaking the law? Would I be able to make a claim for all of the pay I have lost because of this?

As has been said, no law against it.

Set your watch 2min 15 sec fast. Simples.

Cant understand if you know its two mins fast you dont just be there a few mins earlier.

TadleyBaggie

Look on the bright side, you can clock out 2 minutes 15 seconds early.

Undervalued

Quite!

However this is a bit like the many posters we have had on here who have somehow "not noticed" salary overpayments. I struggle to remember somebody not noticing they had been underpaid!

lazer

I am not sure but I think you could be on to something here depending on your contract.


If your contract says work hour of 9am to 5pm, and you lose 15minutes pay of you clock in after 9am, but does not mention how it measures the time, then you could argue that you have clocked in before 9am (BST).


However if your contract makes reference to the clock in using the time as per the machine, then no, you have no comeback.


As an aside, if you are on minimum wage, it is illegal to dock 15minutes of pay for being 1 minute late.

lazer-zxr

Talk about work to rule ..... bloomin' heck ..... do people really leave it that close to clocking in and out? Sounds like you don't like your job?

Everywhere I've worked, people are clocked in and ready to work 10 minutes before the official start time, and not queued up waiting at the machine to clock out so they don't work 10 seconds extra than they need to.

Arrive early, leave on time. Simples.

TELLIT01

lazer-zxr wrote: »

Talk about work to rule ..... bloomin' heck ..... do people really leave it that close to clocking in and out? Sounds like you don't like your job?

Everywhere I've worked, people are clocked in and ready to work 10 minutes before the official start time, and not queued up waiting at the machine to clock out so they don't work 10 seconds extra than they need to.

Arrive early, leave on time. Simples.

Lots of people I have worked with arrived and left on the dot. No arriving 10 minutes early, or clocking out 10 minutes late! I agree in this instance that the simplest solution is just arrive 3 minutes earlier, to beat the clock and leave 2 minutes earlier.

Cycrow

Just be glad its not like a place i worked at where every clock in the building had a different time, and the managers would use different clocks, and never consistent in which ones they use

They would send you on your break based on one clock and expect you back according to another.

It got so bad once there was a 20min difference between the clocks, so for my 15 minute break i had to return 5 minutes before i left

lizzy85

Yeah. Its only 2 minutes of your life. Just arrive early.