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  • justme111
    justme111 Posts: 3,508 Forumite
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    So he did not say "tooth can not be restored with onlay".
    In fact he said exactly the opposite. As onlay =overlay
    The word "dilemma" comes from Greek where "di" means two and "lemma" means premise. Refers usually to difficult choice between two undesirable options.
    Often people seem to use this word mistakenly where "quandary" would fit better.
  • JasonBat
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    justme111 wrote: »
    So he did not say "tooth can not be restored with onlay".
    In fact he said exactly the opposite. As onlay =overlay

    In that case is he saying "the tooth has been correctly restored though I may as well spout out some waffle"? ;)
  • justme111
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    JasonBat wrote: »
    In that case is he saying "the tooth has been correctly restored though I may as well spout out some waffle"? ;)
    I can not tell you what he is saying.I would need to know what xray he commented on , see the xray , know when onlay was done , what material it was made of and the whole hog of 9 years.
    I can tell you what he is NOT saying. Which is "the tooth can not be restored with onlay ". In fact he(or she) says it should be restored with either onlay(they used term "overlay" or crown which is completely opposite to your interpretation.
    I shall stop playing dento legal expert now as it requires quite an effort and is not paid. Hope I was of some help and hope you will find and deal with the source of your issues and not get forever emotionally scarred by this experience.
    The word "dilemma" comes from Greek where "di" means two and "lemma" means premise. Refers usually to difficult choice between two undesirable options.
    Often people seem to use this word mistakenly where "quandary" would fit better.
  • JasonBat
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    justme111 wrote: »
    I can not tell you what he is saying.I would need to know what xray he commented on , see the xray , know when onlay was done , what material it was made of and the whole hog of 9 years.
    I can tell you what he is NOT saying. Which is "the tooth can not be restored with onlay ". In fact he(or she) says it should be restored with either onlay(they used term "overlay" or crown which is completely opposite to your interpretation.
    I shall stop playing dento legal expert now as it requires quite an effort and is not paid. Hope I was of some help and hope you will find and deal with the source of your issues and not get forever emotionally scarred by this experience.

    My new dentist has just booked me in to fit a crown as I interpreted what he, the Endodontist, said to be the existing restoration is not good enough.

    I am a bit confused I have to say. The onlay seems to cover the cusps of the tooth and I have had a Prosthodontist recently advise me that that is all that is needed.

    I am now waiting for the scan images and to see if the the cracked root can be removed by way of apical surgery. I am, however, preparing for the distinct possibility that the tooth has to go.
  • welshdent
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    Onlay/overlay are the same thing and more conservative than the crown. You just need cuspal coverage and all 3 give you that. What you are saying doesn't make sense to me to be honest.
  • Toothsmith
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    JasonBat wrote: »
    My new dentist has just booked me in to fit a crown as I interpreted what he, the Endodontist, said to be the existing restoration is not good enough.

    I am a bit confused I have to say. The onlay seems to cover the cusps of the tooth and I have had a Prosthodontist recently advise me that that is all that is needed.

    I am now waiting for the scan images and to see if the the cracked root can be removed by way of apical surgery. I am, however, preparing for the distinct possibility that the tooth has to go.


    Why are you paying for a crown on a tooth that (from what you've written) pretty much sounds like the sooner it's in the bin the better.

    Do you have to pay for all this treatment yourself?

    A couple of implants several years ago would have been much cheaper overall, and much less grief.
    How to find a dentist.
    1. Get recommendations from friends/family/neighbours/etc.
    2. Once you have a short-list, VISIT the practices - dont just phone. Go on the pretext of getting a Practice Leaflet.
    3. Assess the helpfulness of the staff and the level of the facilities.
    4. Only book initial appointment when you find a place you are happy with.
  • brook2jack
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    My understanding is this has been all NHS as op was removed from a NHS dentists list a while ago, hence had to find a new dentist, and has seen maxillofacial surgeons and oral specialists at the Eastman. I believe Op is also on benefits so private treatment would appear to not be a consideration now.

    It is worthwhile noting that the scan the op posted is a year old and the problems have been seen by many people over a course of years.

    There is alot more to this than would appear , on the face of it, to be.

    I suspect it is in no ones interest , and most particularly the ops , to continue this discussion over diagnosis and prognosis .
  • JasonBat
    JasonBat Posts: 1,761 Forumite
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    welshdent wrote: »
    Onlay/overlay are the same thing and more conservative than the crown. You just need cuspal coverage and all 3 give you that. What you are saying doesn't make sense to me to be honest.

    I can't make sense of it myself. I understood the onlay I had to be sufficient however the Endondontist suggested it is not (though what he is suggesting is unclear).
  • JasonBat
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    Toothsmith wrote: »
    Why are you paying for a crown on a tooth that (from what you've written) pretty much sounds like the sooner it's in the bin the better.

    Do you have to pay for all this treatment yourself?

    A couple of implants several years ago would have been much cheaper overall, and much less grief.

    I would tend to agree.

    The NHS will fund the crown. It does have an onlay which I paid for privately. So, yes, if I had known the tooth had a crack in it (which now seems to be the case) I would have ditched it for sure.

    Problem I have though is that I am missing my UR1 to UR3 due to trauma. It doesn't go down very well having to lose more teeth in that area.
  • JasonBat
    JasonBat Posts: 1,761 Forumite
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    brook2jack wrote: »
    It is worthwhile noting that the scan the op posted is a year old and the problems have been seen by many people over a course of years.

    It seems that is not correct and I certainly wish you were correct.
    brook2jack wrote: »
    There is alot more to this than would appear , on the face of it, to be.

    On what basis are you making that assertion?
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