The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

IveSeenTheLight

kabayiri wrote: »

How do you manage something if you can't easily predict upcoming demand?

Population increases have long been predicted and proportionally its reasonable to expect an increase in demand on the services.

One of my last posts suggests that the increase spend percentage on the NHS was greater than the proportional population increase.

This suggests that it could have been managed.

kabayiri wrote: »

Imagine an iScotland as part of the EU, coupled with a severe economic crisis in a much larger EU country.

If half a million Spanish/Italian/Polish/whatever turn up in iScotland in just one year, then exactly where does that leave you?
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Thats very extreme.
We've not seen UK population increase by 10% in one year.
Not even Farage projected as much immigration

kabayiri wrote: »

It's easy for Nicola S to be all preachy about immigration given that she hasn't had to face the real challenges it can present on the ground.

You say preachy, I say reality.
Scotland can and to an extent needs more immigration.
Setting policy for the whole of the UK which is to the detriment of some areas is not good (in my opinion).

We need diversification and flexibility to maximise the whole of the country, which we unfortunately have not achieved in the current structure

IveSeenTheLight

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Using your own charts and knowledge of the public funding gap that exists between England and Scotland it would appear that England is performing better with less per head than Scotland with more per head.

Can you demonstrate that for open discussion?

TrickyTree83

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Can you demonstrate that for open discussion?

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=72522665&postcount=9930

England gets less per head to spend but is almost comparable in performance.

IveSeenTheLight

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Is that during of after you've lost most of those 500,000 jobs?

I've largely looked past your comments of the 500,000 jobs as I've not got the detail on where this figure comes from.

My assumption is that your premise on this is that leaving the UK, will impact 500,000 jobs.

Surely the same issues would arise with the UK leaving the EU.
I find it incredulous that in one hand the message is that we are better together (Scotland / UK), but on the other were better apart (UK / EU)

It seems that the UK leaving the EU is lauded as a possitive and that we will have the ability to grow better outwith the EU, but the same considerations are not.

I'd like to think that independence would not affect relationships and businesses, no-one wants to cut off their nose to spite their face. Same with the UK in the EU, however if there are issues in the short term, I still believe that in the long term, we would diversify and grow with a true focus and full autonomy in Scotland

TrickyTree83

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

I've largely looked past your comments of the 500,000 jobs as I've not got the detail on where this figure comes from.

My assumption is that your premise on this is that leaving the UK, will impact 500,000 jobs.

Surely the same issues would arise with the UK leaving the EU.
I find it incredulous that in one hand the message is that we are better together (Scotland / UK), but on the other were better apart (UK / EU)

It seems that the UK leaving the EU is lauded as a possitive and that we will have the ability to grow better outwith the EU, but the same considerations are not.

I'd like to think that independence would not affect relationships and businesses, no-one wants to cut off their nose to spite their face. Same with the UK in the EU, however if there are issues in the short term, I still believe that in the long term, we would diversify and grow with a true focus and full autonomy in Scotland

It's from the Fraser of Allander institute.

120,000 jobs in Scotland depend on the EU.

500,000 jobs in Scotland depend on the rUK.

There's no warping of those numbers that will get you around them, sorry. Whether you find the message incredulous or not, those are the facts relating to Scottish jobs and the impact of independence upon them.

This is why Scottish nationalists need a good deal between the EU and the UK for Nicola's plan to work. Those 500,000 jobs need some protection in some way for independence to be palatable. If it's a bad deal between the EU and the UK then it's a straight up choice between risking losing a chunk of 120,000 (EU) or 500,000 (UK).

IveSeenTheLight

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.php?p=72522665&postcount=9930

England gets less per head to spend but is almost comparable in performance.

Sorry, that post does not answer the question.

Please enlighten me as to how England is performing better with less per head than Scotland with more per head.

I'm keen to understand your correlation

Originally Posted by TrickyTree83
Using your own charts and knowledge of the public funding gap that exists between England and Scotland it would appear that England is performing better with less per head than Scotland with more per head.

IveSeenTheLight

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

It's from the Fraser of Allander institute.

120,000 jobs in Scotland depend on the EU.

500,000 jobs in Scotland depend on the rUK.

There's no warping of those numbers that will get you around them, sorry. Whether you find the message incredulous or not, those are the facts relating to Scottish jobs and the impact of independence upon them.

Whats the impact to jobs in the UK from leaving the EU?

TrickyTree83

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Whats the impact to jobs in the UK from leaving the EU?

No idea, it's irrelevant on the topic of Scottish independence.

TrickyTree83

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Sorry, that post does not answer the question.

Please enlighten me as to how England is performing better with less per head than Scotland with more per head.

I'm keen to understand your correlation

Given that Scotland is given more and spends more per head there should be a similar proportional gap in performance - there isn't.

So England is clearly doing more with less whilst Scotland does almost the same with more.

IveSeenTheLight

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Is that during of after you've lost most of those 500,000 jobs?

Are you categorically saying that if Scotland became independent, "528,707 jobs in Scotland that were supported by exports to other parts of Britain in 2013" would vanish.

The rUK, would cut these immediately.
They'd impact the export of Electricity, Food and Water to the UK for example

Scotland should not face a choice between exporting to the EU or UK. We can do both.

Of course, the stats show that exports are 4 times more to the rUK than to the EU, however the potential is that the EU is eight times greater than the rUK.

So I agree, the current sales shows the current market is with rUK, however the greatest opportunity is with the EU.