The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

mrginge

dear oh dear.

June 2018.

mollycat

mrginge wrote: »

dear oh dear.

June 2018.

Hilarious!! :rotfl:

The guy who's been lecturing us all about how goood independence would be thought the "snap General Election" was 14 months away!

Another pro-indy poster here who is failing to grasp even basic facts. ie: what year it is!

ISTL.....fyi its 2017

mayonnaise

Dear oh dear, hilarious!
ISTL made a typo! lolz!

mrginge

mayonnaise wrote: »

Dear oh dear, hilarious!
ISTL made a typo! lolz!

14 months ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

mollycat

mayonnaise wrote: »

Dear oh dear, hilarious!
ISTL made a typo! lolz!

It's not a typo.....read the thread.

Asked what he meant by "14 months" and he went on to explain; clear he thought the election was next year :rotfl:

ps....knew someone would be along to spin this as being a "typo".

Well done, you never disappoint

A_Medium_Size_Jock

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Where did I come up with 14 months?

now (April 2017) to General Election (June 2018)

Proof positive that your username is a misnomer.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Because if the UK get a very bad deal, then the UK economy is going to tank badly anyway. Apart from London/SE ( skewing the 'average' figures for England as a whole ) everywhere else is going to be hit hard. Scotland might not want to be handcuffed to a sinking UK economy AND isolated from the rest of the EU AND with the Tories in charge of it all. Holyrood would likely end up a shell of a place with little say or powers in it's own nations future. Barnett ( cut substantially ) and EU funding ( gone, and not replaced ). Trade and jobs, gone.

Should all off the above come to pass it's important that the options of leaving a sinking UK economy, rejoining the EU/Single Market and having a party or parties who's sole job is to concentrate on Scotland's best interests be there to take over the reigns. Scottish voters didn't vote for any of the above.

You're being too simplistic. I do know what you're getting at but there's a mix of both economic factors and political factors in play. Brexit and independence are both going to be shocks to the system. For some people it will come down to what they feel will give them the best long term future once the dust settles. Lesser of two evils etc.

But the options have to be there. May imo foolishly over the last 9 months has shut most of them down on her own without even the courtesy of consideration. Sturgeon very carefully offered up alternatives to independence one by one. But the SNP's proposals and all the other devolved parliaments concerns were ignored. This cannot continue and May will reap the rewards from that.

The last option for Scotland is to get out of the UK altogether if it all goes pear shaped. Take the hit rather than stay in a Union which apparently doesn't give two hoots about it, and even less about NI.

Do you really think you'll get a good deal ? What are you hoping for ?

Everything you've given as a reason - whilst I may disagree with them - are issues that will only come to light after living with the Brexit deal for a period of time. So having a referendum before you know if those reasons come to fruition is not dealing with the situation in a genuine and honest manner is it?

Now is not the time. After the deal is ratified we'll talk about it as everyone will know where everyone stands. If it's a bad deal then Scotland is better off in the UK, if it's a good deal then there will be options that are available to Scotland that don't hurt Scotland disproportionately one way or the other.

Shakethedisease

antrobus wrote: »

No there isn't. The Scotland Act 1998 is quite clear.

As I have said before, you can always ask the Supreme Court.:)

Probably going to be the other way round antrobus given a ref in 2014 happened. Someone/UKGovt/interested parties going to the Supreme Court having to justify legally why not.

Especially when the Scottish Parliament has followed exactly the same democracy and procedures as last time. The UK Govt said it was ok to go ahead in 2014. Going to be difficult to provide legal reasoning ( rather than political ) why the same legalities shouldn't apply in 2019.

Davidson launched her campaign today standing front of a huge 'no referendum' billboard. The Conservatives clearly still think one could happen regardless of the Scotland Act 1998 and are going all out to stop it.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Everything you've given as a reason - whilst I may disagree with them - are issues that will only come to light after living with the Brexit deal for a period of time. So having a referendum before you know if those reasons come to fruition is not dealing with the situation in a genuine and honest manner is it?

Now is not the time. After the deal is ratified we'll talk about it as everyone will know where everyone stands. If it's a bad deal then Scotland is better off in the UK, if it's a good deal then there will be options that are available to Scotland that don't hurt Scotland disproportionately one way or the other.

People vote on information available to them at the time. Brexit taken on it's own is one thing, Brexit along with a host of other political factors is another.

Why Scotland would be better off long term within a a UK who's gotten a very bad deal/none at all from Brexit is something that Unionist parties and folks like yourself have still to convince of. Just saying it doesn't make it so. You're all still stuck on 2014 economic arguments that aren't likely to exist in a few years time.

antrobus

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Probably going to be the other way round antrobus given a ref in 2014 happened. Someone/UKGovt/interested parties going to the Supreme Court having to justify legally why not.

The 2014 Referendum was sanctioned by a section 30 order. That would be a clear precedent that a section 30 order is required for a referendum to be held. Particularly since one N. Sturgeon signed that Edinburgh agreement.

Anyone could organise some kind of nationwide vote on independence in Scotland, but unless it is a legal referendum it can be ignored. If someone wanted it not to be ignored, they would have to go to the Supreme Court and try to convince them it was legal.

Unless you are contemplating UDI, Scotland cannot become independent without the UK government passing the necessary Scotland Indpendence Act.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

..Especially when the Scottish Parliament ha.s followed exactly the same democracy and procedures as last time. The UK Govt said it was ok to go ahead in 2014. Going to be difficult to provide legal reasoning ( rather than political ) why the same legalities shouldn't apply in 2019.

Those legalities consist of the requirement for a section 30 order. They applied in 2014, they apply now, and they will apply in 2019, unless the next government amends the Scotland Act 1998.