The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

sss555s

kabayiri wrote: »

I think that there is every possibility that an iScotland and rUK could follow divergent paths over the mid/long term.

Certainly, regards things like submarine defence, rUK would use the opportunity to rethink the whole approach to submarine development. Boeing's (amongst others) work on unmanned submarine UAV has every chance to change the way we view the next generation.

Which means one of us is being driven down the wrong path.

I'm not so sure that IScotland would wish to invest in the defence sector to the same extent that Westminster does post a yes vote.

Thrugelmir

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Scotland already has a very strong position as a country with some major economic revenue streams, but I'd like to think anything is possible and that nothing should curtail us from progressing those income streams.

Recent GDP figures suggest that it's not going particularly well though. Not that much of Europe is either.

Tromking

sss555s wrote: »

Which means one of us is being driven down the wrong path.

I don't see why, different countries have different ideas. Scotland would be free to decide it own path, for good or ill.

sss555s wrote: »

I'm not so sure that IScotland would wish to invest in the defence sector to the same extent that Westminster does post a yes vote.

With the SNP's stated aim of joining NATO, the much talked about 2% of GDP would be required to be spent on defence by iScotland I assume.

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

I don't see why, different countries have different ideas. Scotland would be free to decide it own path, for good or ill.

With the SNP's stated aim of joining NATO, the much talked about 2% of GDP would be required to be spent on defence by iScotland I assume.

You all act like the SNP will be in power forevermore in Scotland. They won't.

Arklight

It's funny how all the people who are fingers in the ears Lalala-lalaland Brexit-heads are all hugely against the idea of Scottish independence.

Apparently the only kind of independence Scotland is allowed is one it doesn't want, and the one it does want, isn't good for it.

Well I guess there is some sense in that, after all, the UK holds all the cards in the Brexit negotiations, and the haircut the 27 euro countries are going to have to take begging us to still trade with them will probably cost them more money than they make.

Scotland certainly mustn't be on the inside of all that. Especially as like, the rUK won't be able to impose any special punitive terms at all on iScotland, as trade will be wrapped up into the post Brexit agreement...

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You all act like the SNP will be in power forevermore in Scotland. They won't.

I get that.
At a guess how long before iScotland adopts the Irish Celtic-tiger model?
You know low corporation tax, charging for GP appointments and A&E visits, I believe an A&E visit is around €100.
Although not particularly Scots-style progressive politics, it could be a quick fix for your deficit problem.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You all act like the SNP will be in power forevermore in Scotland. They won't.

Who is the opposition going to be.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Who is the opposition going to be.

The SNP will likely split into right and left wings and new parties. All that unites people like Mhari Black and Fergus Ewing right now is a common goal.

Anyway, we might not have an opposition in a few months time anyway, never mind after independence.

Tories plotting walkout if Nicola Sturgeon forces through IndyRef2 law using loophole

TORIES are plotting a Holyrood walkout if Nicola Sturgeon tries to force an IndyRef2 law through parliament.
Leader Ruth Davidson could order the boycott if the First Minister uses a loophole to push on for another poll without PM Theresa May’s backing.
Party sources say Tory MSPs would storm out to do “constituency work” instead.
A source said last night: “We would boycott any attempt to create constitutional conflict by ramming through a Bill outside the legislative competence of the Scottish Parliament.

The threat came as the PM is expected to formally snub Ms Sturgeon’s referendum request in a letter this week. But the Nats chief could use a grey area to legislate for a vote — and force No10 to fight it in court.
Legal experts say the question of whether Holyrood alone could green-light a referendum has never been resolved.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/876868/tories-plotting-walkout-if-nicola-sturgeon-forces-through-indyref2-law-using-loophole/?CMP=Spklr-_-Editorial-_-ScottishSun-_-News-_-FBLink-_-Statement-_-TWITTER

Got to love the way they've substituted the word 'vote' to 'force through' there. And as for Tories storming out to do constituency work, there's only hardly any of them have constituencies. They're mostly list MSP's.

I hope they do anyway, then it'll be a clear vote between independence and the dissolution of Holyrood altogether. It's become more and more clear over the last few months that the Tories are starting to regard Holyrood itself and Scottish based democracy as illegitimate as this proposed referendum is. More fool them.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The SNP will likely split into right and left wings and new parties. All that unites people like Mhari Black and Fergus Ewing right now is a common goal.

Sounds like Nu Labour. All smiles and harmony. Veneer eventually peels away. As disagreements will surface.

Tromking

Latest yougov has no at 57% and yes on 43%. Lowest support for independence since August 2014. The 'dream' is slipping away.