The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

mollycat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Oh Molly, sooner or later you're going to have to accept the will of the people. Even unionist commentators are now having to think twice. But almost all of the Scottish based are 100% convinced that the Scottish Govt calling for a second referendum is a request that should be respected.

http://archive.is/zzwql#selection-727.0-727.232

I think you must be having a real laugh here!

Of all the people in the UK who have previous for NOT "accepting the will of the people" it's the pro-indy posters on this board.

BTW, my strong preference is that you return to ignoring my posts.

Thanks.

sss555s

islandannie wrote: »

sss555s wrote: »

Even a heavily biased gers report can't back your claims...
http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2013/03/1859

Once again Wangs levels of delusion is strong in this post.
It seems GERS figures were fine when it suited the SNP.

Are you really that stupid? I was saying they were talking rubbish and that even their [STRIKE]fantasy figures[/STRIKE] gers report didn't back their claims.
Gers is a load of BS in my books!

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

You really are a half brick short of a full load!

And that is the best reply we're gonna get out of Zulu. My point remained valid.

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

islandannie wrote: »

Are you really that stupid? I was saying they were talking rubbish and that even their [STRIKE]fantasy figures[/STRIKE] gers report didn't back their claims.
Gers is a load of BS in my books!





And that is the best reply we're gonna get out of Zulu. My point remained valid.

Ladybird™ Economics?

You might want to take that expertise to the Growth Commission, they're trying to create a plan for an independent Scotland based on GERS.

Shakethedisease

mollycat wrote: »

I think you must be having a real laugh here!

Of all the people in the UK who have previous for NOT "accepting the will of the people" it's the pro-indy posters on this board.

BTW, my strong preference is that you return to ignoring my posts.

Thanks.

If you don't want comment on your posts, don't post. Though you are right, I normally ignore the repetitive 'we voted No in 2014/vile cybernat' type stuff.

We're all looking forward now to a second independence ref or vote in very changed circumstances. And the person best placed to lead any new BetterTogether incarnation is making a total a**e of it and herself at the first bit of political pressure she's ever come under. With May not doing much better Scotland wise.

YouGov polling Teresa May Approval
UK +23
Scotland -26

Good ideas to improve the country
UK +7
Scotland -30

In touch UK -14
Scotland -46

Time to dig those bagpipes out for another wee blaw Ruth.



Molly you need to accept the will of the people via the Scottish Govt over a second referendum. You can always vote No, what's to be scared of if as you say it'll be the same result ?

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Ladybird™ Economics?

You might want to take that expertise to the Growth Commission, they're trying to create a plan for an independent Scotland based on GERS.

No they're using it as a starting point since it's all they have. But as Hague says ( told you that line would haunt him foreveeeeer ) it says nothing about the economy going forward of an independent Scotland.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No they're using it as a starting point since it's all they have. But as Hague says ( told you that line would haunt him foreveeeeer ) it says nothing about the economy going forward of an independent Scotland.

So now it's OK to use GERS?

Gotcha.

Lets hope they have answers for the debt & deficit then... otherwise you might as well not have the referendum.

mollycat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Molly you need to accept the will of the people via the Scottish Govt over a second referendum. You can always vote No, what's to be scared of if as you say it'll be the same result ?

That's not what Sturgeon said and you know it.

She said, " the will of the scottish people" (full stop), would determine any 2nd referendum.

Why the change?

Is it because a very small minority of the people want it?

But of course on this one issue mission the Nats care not a jot about Scotland or the people of Scotland.

Too small to ever win, big enough to propagate the lies, spin and disinformation which endangers the welfare of everyone in the UK.

sss555s

mollycat wrote: »

That's not what Sturgeon said and you know it.

She said, " the will of the scottish people" (full stop), would determine any 2nd referendum.

I understand the will of the people is in the hands of the elected government. I'm pretty sure that's what she meant.
Obviously you can't satisfy everyone.

If you are right that most don't want independence then you have nothing to fear from another vote.

Conrad

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

its a sad reflection that often politics is decided upon fear of change

Yes fear of change is at the heart of the Remainer instinct, looking backwards clinging to Brussels petticoats

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

So now it's OK to use GERS?

Gotcha.

Lets hope they have answers for the debt & deficit then... otherwise you might as well not have the referendum.

Is ok to use GERS as a potential starting point in my own view. It's the only info available after all. Though that doesn't mean that the figures within it should be taken as gospel since it contains so many estimates and extrapolations. And also doesn't take into account the final result of any negotiations between a hypothetical rUK and iScotland.

We've been over this too many times already. It's a flawed guide to how Scotland works within a UK context. Which says nothing ( as Hague states.. sorry ! ) about the economy of an independent Scotland going forward.

Look at all the doomsday predictions stretching years ahead based on GERS, then remember what Osborne/Cameron were predicting after any Brexit vote. Emergency budgets, WW3 etc etc ? Scots voters have for years gotten these sorts of economic predictions thrown at them all the time, all courtesy of GERS. The mistake the unionist side has made in my own opinion is that the case for the Union relies SO heavily now on this yearly set of accounts. Almost entirely now that Spanish veto's and EU membership aren't so much in play anymore.

Well, the struts were well kicked out from under the SNP's feet regarding oil prices in 2014.. it might be worth contemplating what will happen if critical commentators such as Richard Murphy, Hague's opposite number in debate yesterday .. start getting serious attention ( already happening or he wouldn't have been on BBC radio ) and the Growth Commission start kicking a few struts out from under GERS ?

A flawed starting point. Yes. A long term future indicator for an independent Scottish economy. No.