The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

cogito

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

In what way do you believe that Scotland is dis-proportionally represented in Westminster?

How many MP's do you believe should represent Scotland?

I didn't say 'is'. I said 'was'.

TrickyTree83

cogito wrote: »

I didn't say 'is'. I said 'was'.

It is over represented.

The proportion of people to MP's is generally how constituencies are determined, there's less heads per MP in Scotland than in England. So English votes count less in Westminster.

Enterprise_1701C

cogito wrote: »

I've been wondering lately how many people outside Scotland actually care any more whether or not Scotland leaves the UK.

I grew up taking for granted that the United Kingdom was exactly that without really thinking too much about it. It's only in the last few years that I even became aware of the Barnett formula or that Scotland was disproportionally represented in the hated Westminster.

It's even more recently that I became aware of the constant bellyaching of the SNP about how badly done to they were by Westminster i.e. the democratically elected government of the whole of the UK which as far as I can see has gone out of its way to provide financial support to its poorer neighbour to the north. My dog has more gratitude when I feed it.

I've now got to the point where I'm heartily sick of the SNP and if it's the case that the majority of Scots want independence, rUK should wish them well, cut them loose and get on with taking care of our own affairs. Give them another referendum but make it clear that there won't be another one - ever.

The majority of people I talk to now wish that they would just go. We really don't care anymore. You have sturgeon to thank for that, she has showed how little she cares for Scotland so if the glorious leader does not like that region of the UK why should the rest of us.

sss555s

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

It is over represented.

The proportion of people to MP's is generally how constituencies are determined,

You haven't done your research...

The boundary commissions are required to apply a set series of rules when devising constituencies.
Firstly, each proposed constituency has to comply with two numerical limits:

• the electorate (number of registered voters) of each constituency must be within 5% of the United Kingdom electoral quota. The electoral quota is the average number of electors per constituency, defined as the total mainland electorate divided by the number of mainland constituencies, where "mainland" excludes four island constituencies: Orkney and Shetland, Na h-Eileanan an Iar (Western Isles), and two on the Isle of Wight.
• the area of a constituency must be no more than 13,000 square kilometres.

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

there's less heads per MP in Scotland than in England. So English votes count less in Westminster.

Again you are incorrect with the part in bold. There are more English MP's in Westminster so English votes count more in Westminster.

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

You haven't done your research...






Again you are incorrect with the part in bold. There are more English MP's in Westminster so English votes count more in Westminster.

What does the word "generally" mean in your language?

English votes are diluted in comparison to Scottish votes in Westminster, you have a larger proportion of the House of Commons to elect than your population size should dictate.

Over represented.

Are you not reading and understanding things properly again?

Have another go.

antrobus

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

What does the word "generally" mean in your language?

English votes are diluted in comparison to Scottish votes in Westminster, you have a larger proportion of the House of Commons to elect than your population size should dictate.

Over represented.

Are you not reading and understanding things properly again?

Have another go.

It was much worse (or better, depending on your point of view) before devolution in 1998; Scotland had 72 out of 659 MPs before, but only 59 out of 650 after. Even 59 is too many; it should be more like 54. And will apparently be reduced to 52 out of 600 real soon, although 50 would be 8.3% of 600.

So yes, Scottish voters are therefore relatively more responsible for all the wonders and ills of the mother of parliaments than English voters. And besides, one of those MPs that Scotland sent south was Gordon Brown, the dufus who crashed the economy. Surely the typical English taxpayer is due some compensation for this act of gross negligence? Not voting Labour might be said to be at least something, but perhaps hard cash would be preferable.:)


See this Wikipedia page. I know it's not really a source, but I think it's right. Ish.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_Westminster_MPs

islandannie

sss555s wrote: »

Even a heavily biased gers report can't back your claims...
http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2013/03/1859

Once again Wangs levels of delusion is strong in this post.
It seems GERS figures were fine when it suited the SNP.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrY9C0aezlw

Shaka_Zulu

sss555s wrote: »

There are more English MP's in Westminster so English votes count more in Westminster.

You really are a half brick short of a full load!

islandannie

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Love the still repeated delusions about "Scotland's" banks etc. Almost like some still don't understand how private businesses work.

The arguments and debate now need to move forward now and look to the future. Include Brexit in future equations and this mode of Conservative governance. Bleating sheeplike old chestnuts from circa 2011 isn't really going to cut it.

Brexit might really hurt the current as it stands Scottish economy, and a Brexit under this and successive Conservative governments might hurt even more.

I don,t normally just copy and paste but needs must.



SCOTLAND’S first minister Alex Salmond’s enthusiastic backing of Royal Bank of Scotland’s disastrous takeover of ABN Amro returned to haunt him yesterday.

A letter, released yesterday, shows that Salmond wrote to RBS boss Sir Fred Goodwin (pictured) in May 2007 to throw his weight behind the bank’s disastrous purchase.

Signing the note, “Yours for Scotland”, Salmond said he “would like to offer any assistance my office can provide”.

Scotland’s secretary for finance, John Swinney, said in a separate letter at the time that the deal was “an enormous achievement for RBS” that helped make Scotland seem “an attractive place to do business”.

Goodwin, who was the brainchild behind the ABN Amro deal that bankrupted the bank, was in December criticised by the Financial Services Authority for his “gamble”.

The letters will also make it much harder for Scottish politicians to blame the London establishment for the recession and the implosion of the Scottish banking sector.

But Salmond was nevertheless in combative spirits over his campaign for a referendum over Scottish independence yesterday, revealing a plan to hold a vote in 2014 – a year later than David Cameron’s offer earlier this week. “You’d think they’d be queueing up to say ‘stand on your own two feet’. Instead they’re conspiring like

zagubov

islandannie wrote: »

I don,t normally just copy and paste but needs must.



SCOTLAND’S first minister Alex Salmond’s enthusiastic backing of Royal Bank of Scotland’s disastrous takeover of ABN Amro returned to haunt him yesterday.

A letter, released yesterday, shows that Salmond wrote to RBS boss Sir Fred Goodwin (pictured) in May 2007 to throw his weight behind the bank’s disastrous purchase.

Signing the note, “Yours for Scotland”, Salmond said he “would like to offer any assistance my office can provide”.

Scotland’s secretary for finance, John Swinney, said in a separate letter at the time that the deal was “an enormous achievement for RBS” that helped make Scotland seem “an attractive place to do business”.

Goodwin, who was the brainchild behind the ABN Amro deal that bankrupted the bank, was in December criticised by the Financial Services Authority for his “gamble”.

The letters will also make it much harder for Scottish politicians to blame the London establishment for the recession and the implosion of the Scottish banking sector.

But Salmond was nevertheless in combative spirits over his campaign for a referendum over Scottish independence yesterday, revealing a plan to hold a vote in 2014 – a year later than David Cameron’s offer earlier this week. “You’d think they’d be queueing up to say ‘stand on your own two feet’. Instead they’re conspiring like

That's a 2012 news article, isn't it? It's like reliving Groundhog day again and again.