The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

beecher2 wrote: »

Doesn't sound like you'd vote for them anyway? To be fair, Scottish Greens are a completely separate party to the party in England and Wales.

What are your thoughts on this?

https://twitter.com/blairmcdougall/status/846769458425286656

They are getting crucified on social media for what they've done. Very few congratulatory/celebratory voices on the @Scotgp timeline on twitter.

.string.

beecher2 wrote: »

Doesn't sound like you'd vote for them anyway? To be fair, Scottish Greens are a completely separate party to the party in England and Wales.

No I have never for them​ . ... Nominally a different party perhaps, but they cosied up with each other. If my memory serves me correctly their previous leader also cosied up to Sturgeon .

Anyway, in my book the Green brand name has been sullied irretrievably.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

What are your thoughts on this?

https://twitter.com/blairmcdougall/status/846769458425286656

They are getting crucified on social media for what they've done. Very few congratulatory/celebratory voices on the @Scotgp timeline on twitter.

Not really, everyone knows when voting Scottish Green you're voting for a pro-indy party so one can hardly act surprised that they voted as they did. I guess the reaction you see depends on the timeline. Blair McDougall was Mr BetterTogether... Please, please let the reports be true today that they're going to be rebranding themselves as..... 'New Direction'. The jokes almost write themselves.

What do you make of this from Kenny Farquarson ? Columnist and senior writer with @TheTimes in Scotland.

A somewhat surprisingly sequence of tweets from Kenny:

1. Now Holyrood has requested a Section 30 order, it's unacceptable for Theresa May to deny ScotGov a ref in this five-year parliamentary term.
2. Those who say FM has no mandate for indyref2 are wrong. There was clear manifesto commitment that now enjoys majority backing at Holyrood.
3. For May now to deny opportunity for manifesto commitment to be honoured would show contempt for Holyrood and right of self-determination.
4. Even Thatcher accepted the Scots had that right.
5. May does not have "extraordinary" circumstances of Brexit as a cover for ignoring Holyrood this time. Edinburgh Agreement sets precedent.
6. As for those who say "the polls don't show support for another referendum", we don't have government by opinion poll, dough-heid.
7. Those who say SNP has broken "once in a generation" promise are quite entitled to feel aggrieved and to try to vote her out of office.
8. The "once in a generation" thing is a broken political promise. Politicians should be held accountable for that at the ballot box.
9. It does not, however, nullify a subsequent mandate sought, received and then validated by a majority of the Scottish parliament.
10. Isn't a Nat v Yoon thing. A lot of people invested a big part of their adult lives to win a parliament for Scotland. It deserves respect.

Just watched Mike Russell after the Theresa May interview ( I believe other party leaders etc were shown elsewhere ). Very evasive yet relaxed when pressed by Brewer about the 'next steps' that'll be taken after Easter should there be no response to the request for a section 30.

Thrugelmir

.string. wrote: »

Anyway, in my book the Green brand name has been sullied irretrievably.

Green is misleading as a name down South. Economic policies border on the insane (unworkable).

beecher2

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

What are your thoughts on this?

https://twitter.com/blairmcdougall/status/846769458425286656

They are getting crucified on social media for what they've done. Very few congratulatory/celebratory voices on the @Scotgp timeline on twitter.

Blair McDougall is not an ex Green voter. I take it you do know who he is? I doubt very much that anyone who was going to vote for them in May will change their minds because of their stance on voting for the Section 30 request, but I could well be wrong. Have you seen any recent polls which support this (surely we're not judging by twitter?!) Last I saw the Greens were only 2 points behind Labour for Scottish parliamentary elections, but I haven't seen any up to date election polling.

paparossco

https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/Scotland/scotland-pom-mar-2017-charts.pdf

Local elections at the bottom of the list. Greens on 8%

islandannie

elantan wrote: »

The country of Dumfries and Galloway ... the country of Orkney ... sounds an interesting prospect ... shame they are not eh

I've gave my reasons do keep up

Do keep up eh.

Remind us all how much of a world power and a powerhouse economy we were before we went begging to England.

A quick glance at our Scottish archive at the museum of Scotland should be enough to sway every unionists doubts and convince even the most level headed unionist to completely change our views and join you in your Unicorn quest for untold riches.I don`t think.

islandannie

Well I`m still waiting for any SNP poster on this thread to tell us how powerfull and rich we were as a nation before the union with England.

You know what I think.They can`t because we weren`t.

It`s about time our schools taught history instead of wishtory,no wonder we are slipping so far behind English schools.

Time to concentrate on real history as opposed to SNP lies.

kabayiri

If the next Scottish referendum is advisory only, then I do not see why they can not present a range of options, and get people to vote and order their top 3.

This could include the Orkney+Shetland option.

I mean why not? It goes to the heart of what self determinism means to you.

The SNP is just one political party with a particular flavour. It isn't especially long lived, and it has changed in it's short history.

They can put the independence issue in to the public space, but the actual topic runs much wider. You can't promote voting for independence just because you hate the Tories. The Tories could be out of power within a decade. Politics always swings.

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

They can put the independence issue in to the public space, but the actual topic runs much wider. You can't promote voting for independence just because you hate the Tories. The Tories could be out of power within a decade. Politics always swings.

Politicising the debate to the extreme could be the SNP's downfall in their quest. As highly likely to alienate pro independence support.