The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

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Things are moving well beyond Brexit consequences now. And this is on top of the already 45% of Scots who wanted out before the EU referendum was even a twinkle in Cameron's eye with the majority to do it.
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This linking of the Scottish indy ref and Brexit/EU is going to unravel.

You do remember that 1/3rd of Scots didn't even consider Brexit worth turning up to vote on? I do realise you are a forgetful lot. Nicola S seems to forget this 1/3rd when making her proclamations too.

If they don't fancy this long term commitment to the EU and the Euro, then....well, you're goosed aren't you?

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

My petition?

De-legitimise? Sturgeon did that herself, from her own mouth on many many occasions. The things she said just before and just after 2014 are at odds with the SNP manifesto.

And I never asked if they shared the results and I don't believe they knocked on 4m doors. So... Do you want to tell us if the SNP survey was as flawed as every other online survey that does not require extensive verification? Name, address and email not being extensive.

You say shady but I'm sure the majority of Scots find what Sturgeon is doing after what she said is a more accurate definition of shady.

In every single way that Scots are democratically represented within the UK. Their wishes are being dismissed as of no consequence. This is not sustainable within a union setting and cannot continue. It's easy for you throw your hands up and blame Sturgeon, or put everything down the the SNP I can see that.

Dismiss Sturgeon and the SNP if you wish. But what you don't get to do is just dismiss or delegitimise ordinary average Scots and 10's of thousands like me in the process. We made our wishes clear in 2015, May 2016 and June 2016. It'll be time soon to reconcile them all with Sept 2014 through the ballot box.

Only the PM is a bit afraid to do that for some reason.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Only the PM is a bit afraid to do that for some reason.

Perhaps the PM is a little to astute to be drawn into the playground antics currently being played. Must be frustrating to be ignored. Though does make someone look somewhat foolish.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

This linking of the Scottish indy ref and Brexit/EU is going to unravel.

You do remember that 1/3rd of Scots didn't even consider Brexit worth turning up to vote on? I do realise you are a forgetful lot. Nicola S seems to forget this 1/3rd when making her proclamations too.

If they don't fancy this long term commitment to the EU and the Euro, then....well, you're goosed aren't you?

I unlinked the indy ref and Brexit/EU for you in the last post. And the Euro which has nothing to do with joining the EU.

You obviously haven't noticed but the mood music has changed. Sturgeon said as much in her conference speech re Yes/Leavers. I personally think we're heading for EEA/EFTA with another ref or election on EU membership should Scotland vote for independence once the dust settles.

Just need to see how this Brexit thing goes for a wee while yet though. :cool:

elantan

Wonder what the Gers figures on Ireland Wales and England are ,

Moby

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Perhaps the PM is a little to astute to be drawn into the playground antics currently being played. Must be frustrating to be ignored. Though does make someone look somewhat foolish.

What about democracy. Doesn't that count?

mrginge

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I personally think we're heading for EEA/EFTA...

I think you're right.
How much do you believe the scots will have to pay for this access?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

mrginge wrote: »

How much do you believe the scots will have to pay for this access?

It's of little relevance.

The UK gets back £10 in economic activity for every £1 contributed to the EU - one of our better investments.

mrginge

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

It's of little relevance.

The UK gets back £10 in economic activity for every £1 contributed to the EU - one of our better investments.

I just wanted a figure rather than the usual made up nonsense.

.string.

mrginge wrote: »

I just wanted a figure rather than the usual made up nonsense.

I think, actually, a little more is needed than the much trumpeted 10:1 "statistic" which is in the arena of a sound-bite rather than a clear statement.

Yes what is that amount in £s, but what is the amount for? profit to the tax payer, subsidies over and above our subscription, amount of trade done with the EU, net balance of traded, profit made on that trade?

If the trade, even accepting as I do that as a Member of the EU we had good trading arrangements, how does that figure compare with the amount of trade we would do under the still-to-be-negotiated trade arrangements?

... and on the balance sheet will also have to go the amount of trade/ balance of trade/whatever which we will have in any free trade deals we will be able to pursue once out of the EU Market.

edit: Oh I should add that Scots would loose that additional trading potential were they to be in the EU (eventually - one must always have that word eventually in mind). In the ultimatum, masquerading as a compromise, by Sturgeon that Scotland stay in the EU Market while the rest of the UK was not, that apart from being an unobtainable fantasy, would have prevented Scotland, having signed up to the three golden rules, unable to take advantage of any addition trade deals the UK might have developed. A hard border would have been necessary, in spite of the simple-minded denials by Sturgeon and her gang.