The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

elantan

Take a look at @JoanMcAlpine's Tweet: https://twitter.com/JoanMcAlpine/status/845757755474546688?s=09


Absolutely the SNP are done for now ... 54% of the vote ... nae chance they will ever come.back from.that

islandannie

And back to reality.

https://reaction.life/behind-grandstanding-snp-relentless-decline/

Absolutely shamefull.

islandannie

This cannot be right please Shakey tell us its not true.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/783607/Nicola-Sturgeon-under-pressure-fix-crises-Scotland

islandannie

Please any of you seps tell we unionists that this bullying is not true.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11529177/The-bullying-behind-the-SNPs-smiles.html

Shakethedisease

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

Tom Gordon: The SNP will face a new level of pushback

Tom Gordon has forgotten two things. 1) In his rush to carp on about the SNP he's neglected to ask what Scots themselves might want <--- this seems to be a common theme emerging 2 ) There will be a pushback from the EU on the other side of May at new levels.

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon tweeted that she had signed an economic collaboration declaration with Bavarian Economy Minister Ilse Aigner this morning..

..In Berlin, officials have certainly taken notice of the efforts “to open offices all across Europe,” as one German trade official put it, and the Germans are also pushing for closer relations with Edinburgh. Through strengthening ties, the country’s government in Berlin and the 16 regional governments, particularly in Bavaria, hope to gain leverage during the Brexit negotiations with the U.K. government.

http://www.politico.eu/article/when-scotland-met-germany/

All of this in the end and which way things go is down to Scots residents and voters. Not what high ranking Tories 400 miles away deem acceptable. Tom Gordon wants to be joining us all in 2017 instead of stuck living in 2014. Also loved Kezia's dad's tweet a few days ago. Sums things up nicely about opinion polls.

Jeff Dugdale‏ @Jefforbited "Davidson's Law" : all future decisions to be made on Ruth's sensing what the Scottish people want. You OK with that ?

If Davidson knew what the Scottish people want she'd have been First Minister years ago. She's still sitting 20 points at least behind the SNP.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Tom Gordon has forgotten two things. 1) In his rush to carp on about the SNP he's neglected to ask what Scots themselves might want <--- this seems to be a common theme emerging 2 ) There will be a pushback from the EU on the other side of May at new levels. http://www.politico.eu/article/when-scotland-met-germany/

All of this in the end and which way things go is down to Scots residents and voters. Not what high ranking Tories 400 miles away deem acceptable. Tom Gordon wants to be joining us all in 2017 instead of stuck living in 2014. Also loved Kezia's dad's tweet a few days ago. Sums things up nicely about opinion polls. If Davidson knew what the Scottish people want she'd have been First Minister years ago. She's still sitting 20 points at least behind the SNP.

Do you see the irony in the tweet you quoted in reference to the SNP?

What mechanism has Nicola and the SNP used to determine that the people of Scotland want another referendum? And don't tell me it's that survey, we've been over that.

And when I say people of Scotland, I'm not on about the ~25% that voted for them in the Holyrood elections. You know, that "mandate" of 46% of 55%... you should pour scorn on that too, it's drastically less than the percentage who voted 'Yes' in 2014. Something has obviously gone wrong.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Do you see the irony in the tweet you quoted in reference to the SNP?

What mechanism has Nicola and the SNP used to determine that the people of Scotland want another referendum? And don't tell me it's that survey, we've been over that.

Exactly the same as Theresa May has for Brexit. Voters. 'The will of the people'.

And when I say people of Scotland, I'm not on about the ~25% that voted for them in the Holyrood elections. You know, that "mandate" of 46% of 55%... you should pour scorn on that too, it's drastically less than the percentage who voted 'Yes' in 2014. Something has obviously gone wrong.

Straw clutching. The Tories got even less UK wide. Don't be naive Tricky, and don't try moving the goalposts only on one side of the pitch.

Sturgeon is proposing ASKING what Scots voters want, and finding out the answer. What's the problem with that ? Commentary along Tom Gordon's lines are ignoring what Scots might want in their wonderful political equations. I remember the same sort of thing in the lead up to GE 2015. 'Of course' Scottish voters wouldn't vote SNP, Sturgeon and the SNP are so hated and bad at what they do. This sort of thing went on relentlessly right up to the day itself. The UK media fed it to you daily and wholesale too. Like they're doing now.

They all forgot however to factor in what the Scots doing the voting actually wanted though. Whoops. Imo they're doing exactly the same thing about Brexit and another independence vote. Forgetting about Scottish voters and what they want. Scottish Labour, Tories and Lib Dems do it too. They've forgotten that 62% and it will cost them dear in the next year or so.

Davidson 'sensing' what Scots voters want is ridiculous. If she had the first idea she'd be winning a majority of votes. And she isn't, and very far from it too.

What do YOU think Scots voters want incidentally ? Is it a Tory government ? A hard Brexit ? Does it really and truly look to you that Scots voters want either of those ? Genuine question.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

What do YOU think Scots voters want incidentally ? Is it a Tory government ? A hard Brexit ? Does it really and truly look to you that Scots voters want either of those ? Genuine question.

If people were that concerned then numbers that vote in any election\referendum would be far higher. Peoples interest in politics is generally very low. Making independence primarily a political issue is a concern. As effectively you'd be handing a single party control infinitum. I suspect an unpalatable thought for many. One wonders how they would react. After all before a hard border goes up perhaps moving to the UK would economically be a better option.

beecher2

Thrugelmir wrote: »

If people were that concerned then numbers that vote in any election\referendum would be far higher. Peoples interest in politics is generally very low.

That's a very simplistic interpretation, if you don't mind me saying so. You are not taking into consideration so many other factors, including the fact that people are more likely to vote when they feel their vote will make a difference. In Scotland, people took it for granted that Remain would win.

Have a look here

http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2017/03/4648/6

Talking about political events

Over two thirds (69%) of people said they had talked about the Independence Referendum 'a great deal' or 'quite a lot'. 65% said this about the EU Referendum. A lower proportion (34%) said this about the 2016 Scottish Parliament elections.

30% said they talked 'a great deal' or 'quite a lot' about all three of these political events with friends, family or colleagues

16% said they had not talked about the Independence Referendum 'much' or 'at all', the lowest figure of the three - 18% said this about the EU referendum and 40% about the 2016 Scottish Parliament election.

The majority of people (54%) said they talked more about politics in 2016 as a result of the Independence Referendum, while 40% said it had made no difference to how much they talked about politics and 6% said it had resulted in them talking less about politics.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

beecher2 wrote: »

That's a very simplistic interpretation, if you don't mind me saying so. You are not taking into consideration so many other factors, including the fact that people are more likely to vote when they feel their vote will make a difference. In Scotland, people took it for granted that Remain would win.

Have a look here

http://www.gov.scot/Publications/2017/03/4648/6

That says nothing that could not have also applied in England though, does it?

The English were literally bombarded with pro-EU propaganda from a huge variety of sources and nearly all polls suggested (that often quite a large) remain win would result.
Yet the English still turned out in greater numbers to voice their opinion come voting day.
The hornet's nest was stirred, so to speak.
Hence Brexit.