The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

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mayonnaise wrote: »

Ahaa, yes! Pretty similar to the Brexiteer's Holy Trinity, no?

1 The EU is the root of all evil
2 Brits are a super race, capable of leaping economic barriers in a single bound
3 Fairy dust awaits on the other side of Brexit.

I'm the wrong person to make that sort of remark to, having been a very keen "remainer", voting as such too. So I would agree with a lot of that. But now the situation is different because the British people decided democratically to leave and I respect that and am committed to making the next stage of our history a success. I'm not claiming that it was an undemocratic decision just because my neck-of-the-woods didn't like it.

The comparison, however, is not complete because in the SNP case, there is a little matter of a completely ruinous matter of the deficit and the lack of subsidy from the rest of the UK to contend with. The UK does not get a subsidy from Europe; we pay into their coffers. So the barriers to be leapt are somewhat higher for Scotland, and magic dust becomes a necessity.

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Shakethedisease wrote: »

In every single way that Scots are democratically represented within the UK. Their wishes are being dismissed as of no consequence. This is not sustainable within a union setting and cannot continue. It's easy for you throw your hands up and blame Sturgeon, or put everything down the the SNP I can see that.

Dismiss Sturgeon and the SNP if you wish. But what you don't get to do is just dismiss or delegitimise ordinary average Scots and 10's of thousands like me in the process. We made our wishes clear in 2015, May 2016 and June 2016. It'll be time soon to reconcile them all with Sept 2014 through the ballot box.

Only the PM is a bit afraid to do that for some reason.

Compete drivel - the usual spin from a party that does not understand that Democracy in a country encompasses all its inhabitants and not the whingeing minority.

Shakethedisease

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Compete drivel - the usual spin from a party that does not understand that Democracy in a country encompasses all its inhabitants and not the whingeing minority.

Pull the other one string. Folks like you and Ruth Davidson are trying to undermine representative democracy in Scotland by citing opinion polls and online petitions.

You have some very strange ideas sometimes. The strangest of all is thinking that the SNP are still some kind of fringe and hated party in Scotland. By your own measure May is riding roughshod over 48% of the UK in persuing a hard Brexit. For a democracy supposedly emcompassing all inhabitants you provide a very flimsy peg to hang your coat on.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

"The March For Europe" is on in Edinburgh.
It's a lovely sunny, mild day.
For hundreds of pro-EU protesters.
No, not thousands.
The latest (generous IMHO) estimate is a thousand.
Despite coming from all over Scotland.

Convincing pro-EU sentiment there.
Not.
Despite Sturgeon telling the world how pro-EU Scots are, such a small crowd to promote a pro-EU stance is no convincing argument.

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Shakethedisease wrote: »

Pull the other one string. Folks like you and Ruth Davidson are trying to undermine representative democracy in Scotland by citing opinion polls and online petitions.

You have some very strange ideas sometimes. The strangest of all is thinking that the SNP are still some kind of fringe and hated party in Scotland. By your own measure May is riding roughshod over 48% of the UK in persuing a hard Brexit. For a democracy supposedly emcompassing all inhabitants you provide a very flimsy peg to hang your coat on.

--- but consistent drivel I'll give you that.

Shakethedisease

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--- but consistent drivel I'll give you that.

How about addressing the issue rather than playing to the 'thanks' gallery here with comments such as the above. If it's drivel then explain why because it's kind of hard to respond to comments such as above without having to stoop as low as you did.

And whatever you think of the SNP and Sturgeon, they seem to have achieved their aim of putting Scotland right in the middle. front and center of Brexit negotiations. Whether May wanted it that way or not.

Exclusive: Saving the Union from Scottish independence put at the heart of Brexit negotiations

A Whitehall shake-up is underway to make sure that saving the Union from Scottish independence is at the heart of Brexit negotiations. The country’s most senior civil servant tasked with defending the UK will move into the Brexit Department, it can be revealed.
Philip Rycroft, who heads up the “UK Governance Group”, will scrutinise every Brexit decision to make sure it does not undermine the Union.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/25/exclusive-saving-union-scottish-independence-put-heart-brexit/


Well done Nicola ! :cool:

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Well done Nicola ! :cool:

Given Nicola's ultimate goal. Appears to be heck of an own one......:whistle:

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Given Nicola's ultimate goal. Appears to be heck of an own one......:whistle:

The Single Market is Sturgeon's red line and I doubt she'll move from that.

May at some point is going to have to choose between the possible loss of the Union, and that really hard Brexit she says she's going to have. Will be an interesting watch seeing her trying to do both for a while before accepting the inevitable choice in front of her.

And at the end of the day, at thanks to Sturgeon's indy ref intervention at least Scotland and her wishes will be a consideration Which is more than can be said a few weeks ago.

ps the comments underneath that article are hilarious.

The only time Scottish Nationalists and Irish republicans will realise their mistakes leaving the cash cow that is England it will be too late. England is and should always remain the dominant force on these islands and seat of international power.

We must start fracking to ensure we destroy Scottish section of North Sea Oil and we must follow Trump and build a wall to stop Scots escaping south from the socialist state, Edinburgh used to be referred to as the Athens of the North it will become the Caracas of the North.

Shaka_Zulu

Ever wondered why education is Scotland is sliding:-

Shaka_Zulu

Tom Gordon: The SNP will face a new level of pushback

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