The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

More classy than what was being referred to.


Fear?
Yeah, right - it is patently obvious just where the fear is coming from.
How is that parliamentary petition coming along?
Ah yes, over 210,000 voluntary votes against another referendum to date - without any major publicity to even say that there IS such a petition.
How many would it be with good publicity?

Oh please. Most polls show voters pretty even stevens over having a referendum within the next two or three years, or not at all. Go and check them. Newspaper headlines and media reports are taking you for a fool who doesn't bother to check before repeating their nonsense like a parrot.

There is a roughly even split between those who say they want a referendum within two years, and those who say they don't want one within the next few years - exactly as there was in the last poll. The combined support for the two 'within two years' options is 50%, while support for 'not within the next few years' is 51%

http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/2017/03/half-of-scottish-public-want.html

The petition is dodgy given the amount of signatures that aren't from Scotland taken from the source codes. And even then, when has any govt ever acted on a petition ? Look at how many signatures the stop Brexit one got. Ignored because it's real tangible votes that from elections/referendums that count. Not possibly hacked, unverified or manipulated online petitions open to anyone with an email address ( or 4, 5 or 50 ).

Together with recent polls showing that a majority of Scots still want to remain part of the union and yet Sturgeon showing desperation to get a referendum ASAP it's easy to see where the fear is.

However, that might not be the case a year or more from now. Sturgeon will wait at least 18 months. Lots of political and economic changes in the pipeline until then that might swing that 1 in 20 voters she needs to get independence over the line.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Not possibly hacked, unverified or manipulated online petitions open to anyone with an email address ( or 4, 5 or 50 ).

You have got to be kidding me..!

I had this exact same argument with you and elantan over the conversation survey thing Sturgeon ran.

And now you're saying the same thing despite arguing the toss with me before, but this time it suits you to say it!

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

You have got to be kidding me..!

I had this exact same argument with you and elantan over the conversation survey thing Sturgeon ran.

And now you're saying the same thing despite arguing the toss with me before, but this time it suits you to say it!

The SNP thing was completely Scotland based and involved verified Scottish postcodes from those replying.

This petition is online and open to all. There have been several pics over the last week showing, well, questionable addresses as far as Scottish based people indicating they do not want another referendum. ie a lot of them were from rUK and abroad which kind of misses the point.

While your about. Kevin Hague thinks the Welsh GERW figures are 'flaky'. Is it really and truly possible for 16% of the UK population to be responsible for nearly 60% of the UK defict or not ?



These figures seem fantastical compared to the population of England. Long past time for a GERE's ? Surely there's something very wrong somewhere.

davomcdave

Nicola Sturgeon seems to accept the GERS figures and you'd imagine that if anyone had a vested interest is saying they're wrong its her.

The fact is that to keep the deficit within EU-mandated levels Scotland would have to slash spending by over a thousand pounds per Scot. Good luck selling that on the doorstep!

Presumably it's why Scots still don't want independence:

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9821

cogito

davomcdave wrote: »

Nicola Sturgeon seems to accept the GERS figures and you'd imagine that if anyone had a vested interest is saying they're wrong its her.

The fact is that to keep the deficit within EU-mandated levels Scotland would have to slash spending by over a thousand pounds per Scot. Good luck selling that on the doorstep!

Presumably it's why Scots still don't want independence:

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9821

And just having lost the Barnett money too.

What a lot of Scots don't realise is that very few people in the rest of the UK had any idea what the Barnett formula was until the likes of Salmond and Sturgeon started their anti- Westminster propoganda. Now,most people outside Scotland know what it is and are resentful of the fact that Scotland gets much more money per capita than they do and are starting to ask why particularly when some of it is used to openly discriminate against English students.

If The SNP really wanted independence they could start by refusing this money and using their powers of taxation that shakethedisease referred to above.

I wonder why they don't.

Shaka_Zulu

Scottish pres being gagged, surely not?

Oh wait a minute we are talking the Nats here after having a complete meltdown over an article in the Evening Times re the poster that appeared around Govanhell (as the locals call it) suggesting Nicola should return to her day job. The article has been removed from the Evening Times website in an attempt to appease the nationalist powers that be.

The article was here:-

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/15173786.Hilarious_Nicola_Sturgeon____missing____posters_appear_around_Glasgow_Southside_constituency/

But the can still be found cached here:-

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/15173786.Hilarious_Nicola_Sturgeon____missing____posters_appear_around_Glasgow_Southside_constituency/

I think this small act of nationalist censorship sums up the Scotland we can look forward to should the Nats ever win independence.

Be afraid Scotland, be very afraid.

Shaka_Zulu

An old joke sees a Jewish man accosted by some burly types on one of Glasgow’s rougher streets. “You a Catholic or a Protestant?” demands Thug A.

The man, panic in his voice, insists: “I’m a Jew!”

Thug A takes a step back. There is a pause but the tension remains, until Thug B pipes up: “Aye, but are you a Catholic Jew or a Protestant Jew?”

Today, a similar gag might involve a Catholic grilled on Twitter by cybernats, the self-appointed patriotism police of social media.

Cybernat 1: “What do you believe in, independence or the Union?”

Man: “Catholicism.”

Cybernat 2: “Aye, but have you accepted Nicola Sturgeon as your personal saviour?”


Arguably, the main threat the SNP poses to Catholicism today is that of competitor religion. Nicola Sturgeon addresses mega-rallies of devotees, boasts her own clothing range and faces almost no internal criticism. The evangelical fervour – nationalists speak with missionary pride of converting sceptics

Excepts from an article in the Catholic Herald

Enterprise_1701C

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

Scottish pres being gagged, surely not?

Oh wait a minute we are talking the Nats here after having a complete meltdown over an article in the Evening Times re the poster that appeared around Govanhell (as the locals call it) suggesting Nicola should return to her day job. The article has been removed from the Evening Times website in an attempt to appease the nationalist powers that be.

The article was here:-

http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/15173786.Hilarious_Nicola_Sturgeon____missing____posters_appear_around_Glasgow_Southside_constituency/

But the can still be found cached here:-

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/15173786.Hilarious_Nicola_Sturgeon____missing____posters_appear_around_Glasgow_Southside_constituency/

I think this small act of nationalist censorship sums up the Scotland we can look forward to should the Nats ever win independence.

Be afraid Scotland, be very afraid.

I can't even access the cached version!

If it wasn't for the fact that we had more important things to deal with, such as the negotiations with the eu to gain the best deal for the whole of the UK, then I would be all in favour of an independence referendum for Scotland, but it would have to be enshrined in law that they could not have another one for at least 100 years, whichever way it landed. And if she is so keen on it Sturgeon would be willing to say that she would leave her post whatever the result, that in itself would make it worthwhile.

You are not going to tell me that Sturgeon did not know what May's response would be - when you have something as big as the eu negotiations to concentrate on there really is no room for another bunch of negotiations and/or campaigning. Scotland's exalted leader knew that and knew the response but wanted to exploit that, but she wanted to be a thorn in the side and try to wreck Brexit, she wants to wreck the rest of the UK, all this to feed her own ambitions.

Oh, and if you leave, shut the door on the way back, and we will lock it. You are not coming back, I can't think of anyone that would be willing to let you back in after the attitude of your leader, we would also be less than willing to dole out quite so much money to you.

Shaka_Zulu

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

I can't even access the cached version!

It's gone now too, quelle surprise!

Erased from history. The 21st century equivalent of Fahrenheit 451.

If you didn't laugh you would cry.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The SNP thing was completely Scotland based and involved verified Scottish postcodes from those replying.

This petition is online and open to all. There have been several pics over the last week showing, well, questionable addresses as far as Scottish based people indicating they do not want another referendum. ie a lot of them were from rUK and abroad which kind of misses the point.

While your about. Kevin Hague thinks the Welsh GERW figures are 'flaky'. Is it really and truly possible for 16% of the UK population to be responsible for nearly 60% of the UK defict or not ?



These figures seem fantastical compared to the population of England. Long past time for a GERE's ? Surely there's something very wrong somewhere.

I'm not talking economics for a bit, as I said.

The SNP thing was completely Scotland based and involved verified Scottish postcodes from those replying.

And I showed you how to fake that.

This petition is online and open to all. There have been several pics over the last week showing, well, questionable addresses as far as Scottish based people indicating they do not want another referendum. ie a lot of them were from rUK and abroad which kind of misses the point.

The SNP survey is/was also open to all, someone from Zimbabwe with the internet and some spare time could look like he/she lived in Scotland and had opinions you disagreed with on the survey. As I argued with you prior - how are you going to determine the correct response from A.N Other living at 11 Haggis Street if more than one person responds under those details? You can't.