The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

See the below headline and report ?

https://www.theguardian.com/healthcare-network/2011/dec/19/auditor-scotland-nhs-significant-challenges

It's from Dec 2011. Almost exactly the same as the 2016 headlines.

Both reports however, go on to acknowledge that improvements are happening and are still being made in significant areas. But the articles and could almost come from the same report if you read through them.
Also targets, the targets have been set far higher than when Labour were in power by the SNP themselves. 'Missing targets' is an easy soundbite for the other parties who rarely bother to qualify where the targets used to be for context.

That being said no one is claiming the Scottish NHS is perfect or doesn't have significant shortfalls. Definitely not.

However, Scottish Labour and their tame media of endless press releases have cried wolf soooo often over the SNHS, (it seems to go in a revolving manner between the NHS/Police/Education)... that most cannot tell fact from fiction anymore and have to rely on and go by their own experiences. Which on the whole/in general seems to have been good given recent patient satisfaction surveys which you can look up for yourself if you care to.

I do reckon that May is in for a tough time over the next few weeks.

lets hope the scottish MPs thank the commons for voting them £3k per scottish family more than the families of Yorkshire.
after all, they will be able to tell fact from fiction.

elantan

I think you are right shakey May is in for a hard time and so she should be, as for Hunt ... his silence is deafening

Thrugelmir

elantan wrote: »

I think you are right shakey May is in for a hard time

Must be frustrating when Mrs May doesn't want to play ball.

Perhaps she is the one calling Nicola's bluff. Poker is best played by keeping ones hand close to ones chest. How many chips does Nicola have left to play.........

elantan

She only needs the winning one

zagubov

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Ahem.
Consider where NHS problems originated:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/20/tory-beat-labour-nhs

No political party is free of blame but to lay blame solely at the door of the tory party is disingenuous.
And that without even considering an increasingly aged together with an ever larger population.
More people?
More elderly people too?
Why then should it be a surprise that resources allocated years ago cannot cope?
The entire system needs radical reformation - but that discussion may be better served in a different thread.

I always think that the Gordon Brown GP contract re-write was the most astonishing misuse of power.

elantan

Admittedly I didn't watch the interview with May but from today's news I'm gathering we now know

Brexit means Brexit and shared society means shared society, another soundbite with no substance is what the discissuing on radio are informing me


Oh this is going well

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

Admittedly I didn't watch the interview with May but from today's news I'm gathering we now know

Brexit means Brexit and shared society means shared society, another soundbite with no substance is what the discissuing on radio are informing me


Oh this is going well

sadly May is clearly learning from Nicola : no facts only soundbits : how is the ditherer Nicola coming on about telling the good people of scotland what currency an Iscotland will use : at least May is leaving the good people of the UK in no doubt what currency they will continue to use.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

elantan wrote: »

Admittedly I didn't watch the interview with May but from today's news I'm gathering we now know

Brexit means Brexit and shared society means shared society, another soundbite with no substance is what the discissuing on radio are informing me


Oh this is going well

From recent experiences discussed at length in various parts of these forums, the concensus would appear to be that relying on UK media is not exactly the best way to get bias-free and honest reporting of anything Brexit-related, is it?

I'm no great fan of May but let's be honest, no matter WHAT she says or does she can't win in the eyes of some.
She says she'll make Brexit plans clear over the coming two weeks.
Which avoids discussion now.
So either she delivers soundbites until she does discuss plans, in which case she is WRONG.
Or she discusses plans before she said she would, which would also be WRONG.

If you really cannot wait those two weeks; if you really want to keep up-to-date on British media's reporting of Theresa May and her current stance on Brexit and anything else have a peek at The Telegraph page here:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/09/theresa-may-mental-health-nhs-live/

Since Theresa May believes that:

"I’m tempted to say the people who are getting it wrong are those who print things saying I’m talking about a “hard” Brexit, “it’s absolutely inevitable it’s a hard Brexit”. I don’t accept the terms “hard” or “soft” Brexit."

From the link above.
I look forward to seeing how Nicola Sturgeon tries to twist this to her advantage.
I'm guessing she won't take long.

Conrad

elantan wrote: »

Brexit means Brexit and shared society means shared society, another soundbite with no substance is what the discissuing on radio are informing me


Oh this is going well

She's made it abundantly clear we will be a sovereign nation making our own decisions, do you guys understand the EU has nothing to do with how WE run OUR nation?


As a sovereign nation like South Korea we will assemble a suitable trading relationship that meets our needs, whether that be WTO or whatever, and most other things are nothing whatsoever to do with the EU.

elantan

Sorry I didn't realise she said sovereignty means sovereignty as well ... well at least we're getting somewhere I spose, and sovereignty does fit in with Brexit meaning Brexit I spose..

I also love how you say we run our country my irony claxon laughed ... thanks