The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Tromking wrote: »

Just to be clear. You want MP's if they decide to, to stop the UK leaving the EU?

Oh I don't expect that they will decide not to leave the EU - but it has to be clear to everyone by now that MP's will have to make that decision as legally the referendum was merely advisory.

If your answer is yes, you do understand the ramifications of that don't you?

I'm going to guess more melodramatic headlines in the Daily Fail.

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Oh I don't expect that they will decide not to leave the EU - but it has to be clear to everyone by now that MP's will have to make that decision as legally the referendum was merely advisory.



I'm going to guess more melodramatic headlines in the Daily Fail.

so if MPs do vote down the UK leaving the EU (either directly or indirectly by introducing endless delays or demanding unachieveable requirement) you would simply find that a little amusing?

Moto2

islandannie wrote: »

What is irrelevant is the complete nonsense about the Scottish majority wishing to remain in the EU.
If you say it often enough do you hope people may start to believe that this rubbish is correct?
This was a referendum to gauge public opinion.
It was well known that it was not binding on Parliament,so by default our votes in Scotland were worth no more or less than any other UK vote.
We overwhelmingly voted to remain in the UK and therefore agreed to accept the majority opinion.

That the duplicitous SNP try to use the result as leverage to for Indy 2 is no surprise,it does however paint large the lack of democracy SNP politics.

We voted to remain in the UK,a position the SNP disrespect,We vote to leave the EU which surprise,surprise the SNP government disrespect.
Lord help democracy in Scotland.

The question of Europe always tears political parties apart and always will do.
The SNP have made a tactical error tying EU membership to Indy, and they know it, it's easy now to see a softening of their position and this will continue.
They banged on about dumping NATO for 40 years until it suddenly dawned on them that it was a vote loser and they'll do the same over Europe or suffer the consequences.
Like me - Lot's of people voted remain because they didn't quite like the tone of the leave campaign or couldn't get the answers needed to vote leave. They don't particularly embrace the EU and all that goes with it but were happyish with the way the UK's membership worked and are hopeful that Brexit can work.
Will these people now vote to be full on Europhiles? some may, but I would think an awful lot of them won't and would rather stick with the crowd.

kabayiri

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Oh I don't expect that they will decide not to leave the EU - but it has to be clear to everyone by now that MP's will have to make that decision as legally the referendum was merely advisory.

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Interesting. So if the SNP conducted an advisory referendum on Scottish Independence, you think it should be Westminster MPs who will have to make the decision?

Glad that's cleared that one up then

Shakethedisease

Moto2 wrote: »

The question of Europe always tears political parties apart and always will do.
The SNP have made a tactical error tying EU membership to Indy, and they know it, it's easy now to see a softening of their position and this will continue.

Not really 'Independence in Europe has been one of their slogans since 1990 !

http://www.scottishgovernmentyearbooks.ed.ac.uk/record/23055/1/1990_4_IndependenceinEurope.pdf

They banged on about dumping NATO for 40 years until it suddenly dawned on them that it was a vote loser and they'll do the same over Europe or suffer the consequences.
Like me - Lot's of people voted remain because they didn't quite like the tone of the leave campaign or couldn't get the answers needed to vote leave. They don't particularly embrace the EU and all that goes with it but were happyish with the way the UK's membership worked and are hopeful that Brexit can work.
Will these people now vote to be full on Europhiles? some may, but I would think an awful lot of them won't and would rather stick with the crowd.

Sturgeon is putting beyond doubt to anyone who thinks Westminster or more particularly Conservative Govts, ever trouble themselves much with what Scotland votes for... that it's nonsense, they don't and never will. No one is asking Scotland to become a No1 priority, but when it comes to the fact that Nissan head honcho's know more about Govt plans for one of the biggest changes the UK has ahead of it for decades then it speaks volumes.

She'll exhaust all and every single one of all other options re Brexit before any independence referendum is touted, just to drive the point home once and for all. Who know's even Scottish Labour might wake up.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

Interesting. So if the SNP conducted an advisory referendum on Scottish Independence, you think it should be Westminster MPs who will have to make the decision?

Glad that's cleared that one up then

Scottish Government. Not the SNP, is an important distinction to remember. Westminster will have to vote to approve it, no one is saying otherwise.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Scottish Government. Not the SNP, is an important distinction to remember. Westminster will have to vote to approve it, no one is saying otherwise.

Nooo.

I'm asking Hamish what he "thinks".

After all, he is the only one coming up with definitive answers on things like currency and closer EU integration.

Moto2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Not really 'Independence in Europe has been one of their slogans since 1990 !

http://www.scottishgovernmentyearbooks.ed.ac.uk/record/23055/1/1990_4_IndependenceinEurope.pdf


but when it comes to the fact that Nissan head honcho's know more about Govt plans for one of the biggest changes the UK has ahead of it for decades then it speaks volumes.

Fact?
Ooh, Link please, I missed that one
.... or are you really just guessing what Nissan know and calling it a fact?

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

Nooo.

I'm asking Hamish what he "thinks".

After all, he is the only one coming up with definitive answers on things like currency and closer EU integration.

So ? I was correcting yooou on the way you mix up the SNP and the Scottish Govt. The SNP are running a minority Govt now.

Hamish has no definitive answers for you. No one does. He has opinions, like everyone else does here.

Shakethedisease

Moto2 wrote: »

Fact?
Ooh, Link please, I missed that one
.... or are you really just guessing what Nissan know and calling it a fact?

No am calling it a 'fact' that Nissan know more than Sturgeon or any other devolved leader does about what Theresa May has planned over the next few years. After all, she's been about to provide them with and I quote all the 'support and assurances' they need.

Nissan was told the UK was seeking an EU deal that would mean no tariffs for car manufacturers and no bureaucratic impediments to trading, Greg Clark, the business secretary, has revealed.
Clark said he wrote to Nissan with a series of four assurances as he went “all out” to allay concerns about Brexit and convince the company to build its next two models in Sunderland.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/30/nissan-eu-tariff-free-brexit-sunderland

That's four assurances more than anyone else, even parliament has had so far. Fact.