The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

elantan

Did anyone watch Gary tank last night ?

I watched the clips that have been going about for a few days will need to watch the rest at some point.

Have to admit my favourite was Kezia, least favourite David, can't wait to watch it though

harz99

Shakethedisease wrote: »

45% to 55% of people that voted in the referendum voted Yes/No. Most voters in Scotland according to the polls ( I make no prediction ) intend to vote SNP on 5th May. Just like Most voters in Scotland voted SNP last May ( which is an actual fact ).

Therefore when I said regarding the SNP in a Scottish General Election. I really do mean most voters in Scotland as in more than any other party. It's kind of what a 'majority' is all about isn't it ?

Your post I quoted above was in answer to Johnsmith2016's previous post which was entirely to do with the YES/NO referendum, as was your answer, and nothing to do with the elections held since then or in the future.


At least with your half hearted correction, you almost admit you were wrong in relation to the % of the Scottish voters that voted YES in the referendum.

harz99

Shakethedisease wrote: »

But so glad to see that everyone has finally gotten over the 'Westminster will never allow another vote' thing. That did irk a bit I have to say.. glad that it's all taken as read that as soon as Sturgeon says so, we'll all be rushing to the polls again. :cool: <--- that's irony.

No you won't.


Permission would still be needed from the UK Government as last time. No doubt there would be yet another costly neverendum, whilst the business of actually running the country takes a back seat to the SNP obsession.


Of course, should the UK vote to leave the EU, a different set of wishes might easily come to the fore.

Tromking

harz99 wrote: »

No you won't.
Permission would still be needed from the UK Government as last time. No doubt there would be yet another costly neverendum, whilst the business of actually running the country takes a back seat to the SNP obsession.
Of course, should the UK vote to leave the EU, a different set of wishes might easily come to the fore.

I'm not so sure.
In the event of Brexit and if what the Remainers say is true, that the UK would be in a perilous economic and political situation. I would expect the UK Government to circle the wagons and block any call for another Scottish independence referendum, despite the protestations of the SNP and indeed even a majority of Scots people demanding one. The Union will prevail.

Shakethedisease

elantan wrote: »

Did anyone watch Gary tank last night ?

I watched the clips that have been going about for a few days will need to watch the rest at some point.

Have to admit my favourite was Kezia, least favourite David, can't wait to watch it though

I thought they ALL came across well, even Coburn. All good sports and up for a laugh. Wullie Rennie and his healing hands had me giggling.

Shakethedisease

harz99 wrote: »

Your post I quoted above was in answer to Johnsmith2016's previous post which was entirely to do with the YES/NO referendum, as was your answer, and nothing to do with the elections held since then or in the future.


At least with your half hearted correction, you almost admit you were wrong in relation to the % of the Scottish voters that voted YES in the referendum.

No. The result was 45/55% of those who voted. Those that didn't, don't count. I realise it might be of some comfort to you or others to keep punting the 37.8% figure about like it's actually any sort of meaningful measure. But, no 45%/55% or in other words around 120,000 votes sort of the 50.1% needed, or 9 in every 20 people voting Yes. Whatever floats your boat.

JohnSmith might have been talking about a referendum. I in fact was congratulating him on his insights. Then lamenting the fact that most Scottish voters will vote SNP anyway in this election giving the SNP a majority, and a possible carte blanche to persue another one in the future.

There was nothing half hearted about it. :A

Thrugelmir

Tromking wrote: »

In the event of Brexit and if what the Remainers say is true, that the UK would be in a perilous economic and political situation.

What's going to change?

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No. The result was 45/55% of those who voted. Those that didn't, don't count. I realise it might be of some comfort to you or others to keep punting the 37.8% figure about like it's actually any sort of meaningful measure. But, no 45%/55% or in other words around 120,000 votes sort of the 50.1% needed, or 9 in every 20 people voting Yes. Whatever floats your boat.

JohnSmith might have been talking about a referendum. I in fact was congratulating him on his insights. Then lamenting the fact that most Scottish voters will vote SNP anyway in this election giving the SNP a majority, and a possible carte blanche to persue another one in the future.

There was nothing half hearted about it. :A

45:55 means that 20% more people voted No than Yes.

It wasn't a trivial margin. In an Australian General Election or a US Presidential election that would be a decent victory. With only 2 names on the card there aren't many choices!

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

I'm not so sure.
In the event of Brexit and if what the Remainers say is true, that the UK would be in a perilous economic and political situation. I would expect the UK Government to circle the wagons and block any call for another Scottish independence referendum, despite the protestations of the SNP and indeed even a majority of Scots people demanding one. The Union will prevail.

They cannot block an actual referendum at all.That's what the Scottish Govt were going to do anyway last time round even if Westminster voiced opposition to one. It's the recognising the result afterwards that would be the problem. Well, not for Scots obviously if there's a majority voting to leave but there you go. And anyway Theresa says another referendum would be held no probs if there's a Brexit ?

“If Brexit isn’t fatal to the European Union, we might find that it is fatal to the Union with Scotland,” said May in a speech delivered in London this morning. “The SNP have already said that in the event that Britain votes to leave but Scotland votes to remain in the EU, they will press for another Scottish independence referendum. “If the people of Scotland are forced to choose between the United Kingdom and the European Union we do not know what the result would be. But only a little more than 18 months after the referendum that kept the United Kingdom together, I do not want to see the country I love at risk of dismemberment once more.

https://www.holyrood.com/articles/news/theresa-may-brexit-could-prove-fatal-union-scotland


So does Frank Field.

Frank Field says Scotland is another country and will eventually become independent

Frank Field, a welfare minister under Tony Blair and current chairman of the Commons Work and Pensions Committee, said Scotland is "another country" with a "sovereign parliament".
Former first minister Alex Salmond welcomed the Eurosceptic MP's prediction on BBC Daily Politics, and said a vote to leave the EU against majority opinion in Scotland would justify another independence referendum.
Mr Field said: "I think Scotland's another country, and I actually do think we will move to a position where you have independence.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/homenews/14453340.Labour_MP_predicts_independence_for_Scotland/?ref=rl&lp=5

Generali

Are they electioneering or acting as constitutional experts?

I note they don't state which budget a new independence vote should come from. I can't think of a devolved area of the budget which could legitimately pay for a new referendum.