The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

LABMAN wrote: »

.I used Scotch to draw a reaction from the idiots and you didn't disappoint.

Yes and what you did is universally known as trolling. The last online vestige of the terminally addicted to attention seeking using negatively charged and insulting posts.

Bored. Don't feed the troll elantan. He's revelling in the attention. Either that or he's trying to get the thread pulled by getting loads of posts reported.

elantan

I've blocked him now Shake so won't need to listen to any more of his drivel

Tromking

LABMAN wrote: »

Not in my autocorrect...but then I'd sort it if I was wrong....clearly you are not then?

Join the club LABMAN, I had the temerity to use the word 'jock' and she blocked me also.😀
For a bird from Plymouth, she's quite chippy.

zagubov

LABMAN wrote: »

It's Govanhill. End of really. The fact you don't know that says it all and again your pseudo Scots just continues to make you look a XXXX.

Is it fair to say it's easy to spot the unionist posts as they're the ones that are rude, patronising, insulting or sneering?;)

Thrugelmir

Finally some reality.

Last week Alex Bell, the SNP’s former head of policy, admitted that the White Paper on Independence, all 600 plus pages of it, had been drivel and suggested those responsible for it should hang their heads in shame and apologise for misleading the Scottish people. Only then, he theorised, could the SNP start again and make a new and better and more plausible and honest independence offer to the electorate.

Unfortunately the twaddle continues.

If you thought the Brexit vote marked the end of ‘Project Fear’, you’ll be saddened to know it’s back. This time it takes the form of a warning from Nicola Sturgeon about what leaving the EU might cost Scotland. The Scottish Government report into the ‘economic risk’ to the country of Brexit, on which Sturgeon’s prediction is based, doesn’t appear to be worth the paper its written on however. It puts the bill as between £1.7bn and £11.2bn – a range so huge as to render it virtually meaningless.

The report also suggests a similar, although thankfully, slightly smaller chasm in possible tax revenue, this time between £1.7bn and £3.7bn down after Brexit. It’s difficult to know where to start in picking the report to pieces: but that’s precisely the point of this sequel to Project Fear. Nicola Sturgeon said in the wake of the referendum that Scotland was being dragged, kicking and screaming, out of the EU ‘against our will’ (despite nearly four in ten Scots voting for ‘Leave’). And she is using today’s report to try and extend that narrative; the maths which contribute to the report is by-the-by, it’s the headline announcement that matters. Here’s how she greeted the report today:

‘It is simply unacceptable that Scotland faces the prospect risk being dragged out of the EU against its will, and today’s paper shows the possibly massive costs that would entail, with all the wider repercussions that would be likely to ensue in terms of jobs, investment and long-term prosperity.’

Leanne1812

zagubov wrote: »

Is it fair to say it's easy to spot the unionist posts as they're the ones that are rude, patronising, insulting or sneering?;)

I'd say you're spot on ;-)

I'd say it's one of the reasons I've switched off from politics online. It's quite difficult trying to have a conversation without insults or remarks that try to belittle those with a different opinion.

ruggedtoast

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Unfortunately it looks like Corbyn too is about to make a bit of a blunder on his upcoming visit to Scotland this week.

http://labourlist.org/2016/08/neal-lawson-corbyn-is-wrong-we-must-not-rule-out-a-deal-with-the-snp/

He relies too much on Scottish colleagues like Neil Findlay for the Scottish 'angle' I think. Real old school Labour, but cannot countenance the idea of working with the SNP on any level. And have never forgiven the SNP for parking tanks on their lawn.

As someone noted on Twitter today, it might not be so much Corbyn that kills off 2020 elections hopes, but tribalism within Labour. Let's hope it's just another Herald fact free episode, because in the main, SNP voters such as myself quite like Corbyn. Certainly a lot of ex-Labour voters who moved to the SNP in recent years do. And we certainly understand the daily media battering he takes.

Corbyn was the biggest threat to the SNP in years. But he's blown it by coming out with far too much of Findlay's tribalism on ( rare ) visits so far up here. Kezia isn't even bothering to meet him. I hope Corbyn isn't going to publically slam the door on the SNP completely a full 4 years before the next election ? Not that the SNP have said much, but it does tend to negate any goodwill ordinary people like me have towards him.

If he isn't going to get behind Scottish Labour then they may as well pack up and go home.

The official Labour line will always be that if Scots don't want to see a Tory government in 2020 they had better vote Labour.

The Tories have had a very easy ride through their own turmoil in the media, which is conveniently owned mostly by Tories, but all the signs are that they will be in meltdown long before 2020.

They have had a pretty calamitous few months and true to type, have done what the Tories always do when they are threatened with internecine conflict and dont know what to do about it; appoint a cabinet of horrible right wingers that people will grow to hate, and bring the hammer down on the poorest and most vulnerable in the belief it'll go down well with Middle England.

Its likely that there will be a number of issues that Labour and the SNP can collaborate on leading up to the next election. Whether they do / can or not will be quite interesting, and could even be a way for Labour to win back some credibility North of the border.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Finally some reality.
Unfortunately the twaddle continues.

Alex Bell needs to move on from 2014 and his five minutes of 'Salmond's ex-aide' fame he's desperately trying to keep afloat.

As for Project fear from the SNP. I think it's fair to say that there's not a whole lot of positives in it for Scotland outside the EU. All of the Scottish party leaders in the run up to the vote were warning of pretty dire and disasterous consequences, including Davidson and Dugdale.

Hardly the SNP's fault that they're two of the most vacuous weather vane, say one thing one day, say something else the next, whatever is good for PR politicians in Scotland at the moment. A few weeks ago both were 100% convinced that Scotland leaving the EU would be the most terrible, awful calamity. They must think Scots voters have minds like goldfish. More fool them.

And we would be leaving the EU against our will. There's no need for quotation marks in articles indicating otherwise. The commentary is getting increasingly desperate. Meanwhile I heard briefly on Scotland Tonight, that the SNP intend to present second referendum legislation in Holyrood soon. The Greens will back it and it will pass.

That 15 billion pound deficit is important. Because we all want to know what can possibly and realistically be done about it. And with Brexit on top it's very likely to get increasingly worse. Staying in UK is the problem with both of these.

Shakethedisease

ruggedtoast wrote: »

If he isn't going to get behind Scottish Labour then they may as well pack up and go home.

The official Labour line will always be that if Scots don't want to see a Tory government in 2020 they had better vote Labour.

I completely understand that. Of course. But to slam the door in the middle of a leadership campaign ( not in an election setting ) right now instead of keeping cordial options open ? Seems to me a pretty silly thing to do. He needn't mention the SNP at all on his visit tomorrow. Concentrate in winning this leadership election instead. But I fear he's been listening to Mr 'I asked the SNP for their Brexit plans via a FOI request' Findlay above. Doh !

And while Corbyn needs to get behind Scottish Labour. The Scottish Labour leadership can't stand the sight of him.

The Tories have had a very easy ride through their own turmoil in the media, which is conveniently owned mostly by Tories, but all the signs are that they will be in meltdown long before 2020.

They have had a pretty calamitous few months and true to type, have done what the Tories always do when they are threatened with internecine conflict and dont know what to do about it; appoint a cabinet of horrible right wingers that people will grow to hate, and bring the hammer down on the poorest and most vulnerable in the belief it'll go down well with Middle England.

Its likely that there will be a number of issues that Labour and the SNP can collaborate on leading up to the next election. Whether they do / can or not will be quite interesting, and could even be a way for Labour to win back some credibility North of the border.

I questioned the motives behind both Dugdale's and Khan's interventions earlier asking if both knew something we didn't. Certainly from Dugdale it would be a fast track to a Scottish Labour split and a leadership challenge which Scottish Labour can ill afford in the run up to local council elections. Khan is also playing with fire in terms of his own support in London. A snap election ?

So why have the Scottish and London Labour party leaders chosen this moment to disown the odds-on favourite to win the Labour leadership election? Do they know something we don't?

Is there some scandal brewing about Mr Corbyn's tax returns? Is Labour's leadership election going to be altered again so only party members who joined under Tony Blair are allowed to vote? No – it's more likely Ms Dugdale and Mr Kahn are part of a move to prepare the party for a general election defeat they hope will kill Corbynism stone dead. There's speculation Theresa May is about to call a snap election to consolidate her position, post Brexit

http://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/columnists/iain_macwhirter/14698245.Iain_Macwhirter__A_civil_war_is_the_last_thing_Scottish_Labour_needs/

One wonders.

ruggedtoast

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I completely understand that. Of course. But to slam the door in the middle of a leadership campaign ( not in an election setting ) right now instead of keeping cordial options open ? Seems to me a pretty silly thing to do. He needn't mention the SNP at all on his visit tomorrow. Concentrate in winning this leadership election instead. But I fear he's been listening to Mr 'I asked the SNP for their Brexit plans via a FOI request' Findlay above. Doh !

And while Corbyn needs to get behind Scottish Labour. The Scottish Labour leadership can't stand the sight of him.

I questioned the motives behind both Dugdale's and Khan's interventions earlier asking if both knew something we didn't. Certainly from Dugdale it would be a fast track to a Scottish Labour split and a leadership challenge which Scottish Labour can ill afford in the run up to local council elections. Khan is also playing with fire in terms of his own support in London. A snap election ?

http://www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/columnists/iain_macwhirter/14698245.Iain_Macwhirter__A_civil_war_is_the_last_thing_Scottish_Labour_needs/

One wonders.

I think Theresa will probably bottle the snap election. She's leaving it pretty late to call one and the ghost of Gordon Brown is wafting around her head.

While I would rather that the Tories had a few more years of pi$$ing people off with Project Fear a snap election may not be anything like the disaster for Labour anti-Corbynites are predicting.

Which is of course what they're all worried about. The PLP would rather lose with Jeremy as leader than win with him.