The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

LABMAN

Here's some more about Mackay.
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/5263511/derek-mackay-snp-lgbt-awards-grope-allegations-boyfriend/

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Well I for one am absolutely astonished how good a job Boris is doing... at driving up support for Scottish Independence.

3 polls in the last couple of weeks with support for Indy at or above 50%.

And now this...

SCOTTISH voters back a legal battle with Boris Johnson over indyref2 if he continues to refuse a Section 30 order, a new poll has revealed.
More than half believe the Scottish Parliament should legislate to hold a referendum if Westminster does not agree to it – and then allow the courts to decide if it can take place.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18221754.scots-back-legal-battle-boris-referendum/?ref=twtrec

Thrugelmir

HAMISH_MCTAVISH said:

Well I for one am absolutely astonished how good a job Boris is doing... at driving up support for Scottish Independence.

3 polls in the last couple of weeks with support for Indy at or above 50%.

And now this...

SCOTTISH voters back a legal battle with Boris Johnson over indyref2 if he continues to refuse a Section 30 order, a new poll has revealed.
More than half believe the Scottish Parliament should legislate to hold a referendum if Westminster does not agree to it – and then allow the courts to decide if it can take place.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18221754.scots-back-legal-battle-boris-referendum/?ref=twtrec

Published in a paper that supports Scottish Independence. Unfortunately doesn't deflect from the real news that afflicts the SNP currently. 

zagubov

Thrugelmir said:

HAMISH_MCTAVISH said:

Well I for one am absolutely astonished how good a job Boris is doing... at driving up support for Scottish Independence.

3 polls in the last couple of weeks with support for Indy at or above 50%.

And now this...

SCOTTISH voters back a legal battle with Boris Johnson over indyref2 if he continues to refuse a Section 30 order, a new poll has revealed.
More than half believe the Scottish Parliament should legislate to hold a referendum if Westminster does not agree to it – and then allow the courts to decide if it can take place.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18221754.scots-back-legal-battle-boris-referendum/?ref=twtrec

Published in the paper that supports Scottish Independence. Unfortunately doesn't deflect from the real news that afflicts the SNP currently. 

Let's not pretend the media aren't overwhelmingly one-sided in the debate. Can you name a newspaper from Scotland or the wider UK that consistently backed independence in the last decade until the Sunday Herald or National were formed?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Thrugelmir said:

HAMISH_MCTAVISH said:

Well I for one am absolutely astonished how good a job Boris is doing... at driving up support for Scottish Independence.

3 polls in the last couple of weeks with support for Indy at or above 50%.

And now this...

SCOTTISH voters back a legal battle with Boris Johnson over indyref2 if he continues to refuse a Section 30 order, a new poll has revealed.
More than half believe the Scottish Parliament should legislate to hold a referendum if Westminster does not agree to it – and then allow the courts to decide if it can take place.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/18221754.scots-back-legal-battle-boris-referendum/?ref=twtrec

Published in a paper that supports Scottish Independence. Unfortunately doesn't deflect from the real news that afflicts the SNP currently. 

Source of the news is far less relevant than the fact a Poll conducted by a recognised third party polling organisation has found most Scots want the Scottish Parliament to have control over Indyref 2, and 3 polls recently find support over 50% for Indy.

Support for a Border Poll in Northern Ireland is also skyrocketing.

You can try to distract from that all you like by attacking the SNP on wholly unrelated matters.  It matters not one jot that you do... 

The breakup of the UK is getting closer by the day.  Scotland and Northern Ireland will break away and rejoin the EU at the earliest opportunity, Wales will no doubt follow a few years later.  Leaving Little England as the rump state, having lost 55`% of Britain's land mass, 60% of the territorial waters, and 70% of the natural resources. 

The Balkanisation of Britain - A sad, humiliating, and pathetic end to the once great nation of the UK - But one that was made inevitable by misguided English Nationalism and arrogance in trying to drag the rest of us out of the EU against our will.

Moe_The_Bartender

The possibility that Scotland or Wales will vote to free the English of the burden of carrying them is vanishingly small.

ireland is a different matter and the possibility of Irish unification and Irexit has increased greatly as a result of Sinn Féin’s election success.

Herzlos

Moe_The_Bartender said:

The possibility that Scotland or Waules will vote to free the English of the burden of carrying them is vanishingly small.

Polling for independence in Scotland has been sitting around the 50:50 mark for years now, that's not vanishingly small.
Wales, maybe, I dont think they'll try to split off until they see Scotland and Ireland thriving.

Malthusian

Arklight said:

In the media, the standards by which Tory politicians are held is different to the standards everyone else is. Boris Johnson has been given a free pass from his misogyny, his racism, his untruthfulness, and his incompetence. Diane Abbott, beloved punching bag of  Daily Mail knuckle draggers, by every measure is less racist,  less prejudiced, and less incompetent.

"Black people love to play divide and rule" - Boris Johnson

"On balance Hitler did more good than harm" - Boris Johnson

abz88

Shakethedisease said:

Yes you are confusing things. Your percentages are votes for parties and you're equating it with independence support. They're not the same sorry. " It also suggests a significantly higher Yes support among Labour voters than YouGov reported – and if it’s true that more than one-third of the rump Labour vote in the 2019 election want Scotland to be an independent country, "http://scotgoespop.blogspot.com/2020/02/scot-goes-pop-panelbase-poll-on.html

And you're again using the Westminster GE as a mandate. The mandate is from 2016 where Sturgeon got a higher vote share than Salmond did.. yet his mandate got him a referendum with just 6 MP's at Westminster.

Polling on indepenence is all we have since the last ref was 6 years ago, and the UK was part of the EU. Scots voted to stay in both unions. They need to have a democratic choice now between them. It's quite simple. re Polling, is there a reason you're not excluding the Don't Know's ? Because equally, those figures for wishing to stay in the Union aren't much of a mandate for it either are they ? There is only one way to decide once and for all who wants what. Yet we're being denied that choice and we all know why. Boris will lose.

That's how our political system works...Parties put forward policies and people vote for those parties. Even with the poll stating one-third of Labour voters are pro-Indy, it still puts support for Indy below 50%.
I'm using Westminster GE as it was the last election and gives the latest position on a mandate, using 2016 also leaves Indy parties short of 50% of voters. Again though, you are stating on one hand Unionists can't use Elections as proof of support for remaining in the Union because it doesn't reflect opinions on that specific issue, but you are happy to claim a mandate based on the 2016 election and the SNP performance (still under 50%), you can't have it both ways.
If you look at polling, it hasn't changed significantly from the last referendum, despite the major changes/lies/Brexit/etc that keep being cited as reasons for another Indy Ref, these "major factors" have barely moved the needle on polls. 
I'm excluding don't knows, as we don't know their opinion and it shows there is no clear support for an Indy ref unlike you claim.
There was one way to decide, we had a vote and remain won. If you want another vote, you need to show there has been a clear change of opinion, which you can't. Polls/Elections, however, you look at it, despite everything that's happened, you don't have the support of more than 50% of the voters, the Indy side just like to shout louder and go on marches where the same folk are bused about the country and claim this as proof of a change in support.

abz88

HAMISH_MCTAVISH said:

Source of the news is far less relevant than the fact a Poll conducted by a recognised third party polling organisation has found most Scots want the Scottish Parliament to have control over Indyref 2, and 3 polls recently find support over 50% for Indy.

The question poll has 50% of people saying the courts should determine if the Scottish Parliament can hold a referendum. Its a very misleading question as it sets out the premise of "“There are differing legal opinions on whether the Scottish Parliament currently has the power to hold a consultative referendum" “do you think the Scottish Parliament should...allow the courts to decide whether it can take place?”. When you phrase something as there are different legal opinions, should we let the courts decide, the common assumption is "yes, the courts decide what is legal".
The 3 polls don't show more than 50%, they all show less than 50% (between 43% and 49%), you are then making an assumption that at least half the don't knows in the poll vote for Indy. That is not a true 50%, it is bending the facts.