The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Fran_Klee

Herzlos wrote: »

You're going to have to explain this one to me, sorry.

It's really not difficult.

How's the proposed new currency coming along?

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

Thanks to the SNP, Scotland is becoming the new Ulster.
The flying of flags will reflect grievance and a political ideology rather than democratic legitimacy.
Dark times.

That's rich. Because we're looking south to what's generally accepted as the most right wing Conservative Govt in recent history.
And it isn't 'thanks to the SNP'... it's thanks to those who vote for them. Most of whom want nothing to do with right wing Tory governments. It was the same during the 80's and 90's in Scotland. Only it was Labour we voted for then. I don't remember seeing any complaints then about democratic legitimacy.

Independence for many in Scotland isn't about flags. It's about endless Conservative Govt's we haven't voted in since 1955 ! And I'll tell you something else, the SNP for all they are the only political vehicle regarding independence at the moment... are really starting to lose control of it.

They're not being fast enough nor forceful enough for many long term SNP members/Yes people that I follow via social media at the present time. There will be new parties springing up this year no doubt. Holyrood might be a very different place next year.

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

That's rich. Because we're looking south to what's generally accepted as the most right wing Conservative Govt in recent history.
And it isn't 'thanks to the SNP'... it's thanks to those who vote for them. Most of whom want nothing to do with right wing Tory governments. It was the same during the 80's and 90's in Scotland. Only it was Labour we voted for then. I don't remember seeing any complaints then about democratic legitimacy.

Independence for many in Scotland isn't about flags. It's about endless Conservative Govt's we haven't voted in since 1955 ! And I'll tell you something else, the SNP for all they are the only political vehicle regarding independence at the moment... are really starting to lose control of it.

They're not being fast enough nor forceful enough for many long term SNP members/Yes people that I follow via social media at the present time. There will be new parties springing up this year no doubt. Holyrood might be a very different place next year.

I was talking about the possibility of Holyrood (at the behest of the SNP) continuing to petulantly fly the EU flag after the UK has left the EU. In that event the comparison with NI and it’s use of flags as totemic icons is a pertinent one IMO.
The antipathy toward the Tories in Scotland is well known, although it is interesting to note that since you began your regular musings on the subject here, the Tory footprint in Scotland has grown markedly.
As usual you only ever talk about the needs and wants of the Scots who agree with you on independence, and strangely ignore the majority who long for a return to a Scotland free from manufactured grievance and constitutional uncertainty.
Luckily for them they have HMG who readily recognise that the appetite for indyref2 amongst the majority is zero and merely a tactic by the SNP to steer public scrutiny away from a failing SNP administration at Holyrood.
A split Nationalist vote is good news for the Union obviously, I look forward to that scenario taking hold. As we approach ‘Noncegate’ in the Scottish Courts, I’m not surprised that people like yourself are beginning the process of distancing themselves from the SNP. Probably a wise move Shakey.

Enterprise_1701C

I find it interesting that Sturgeon has not mentioned a couple of polls that were run around the same time as the GE.

The YouGov poll had a massive lead for no over yes, Panelbase gave no a slightly smaller lead and Survation still had No in the lead.

Looking at the list, admittedly in Wikipedia, the Yes vote seems to be diminishing. Maybe even the Scots are tired of Sturgeon!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Scottish_independence

I have often thought that Sturgeon would be upset if she ever got independence, she would no longer have anything to moan about, apart from having to run a country on a shoestring and go back on all her promises.

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

A split Nationalist vote is good news for the Union obviously, I look forward to that scenario taking hold. As we approach ‘Noncegate’ in the Scottish Courts, I’m not surprised that people like yourself are beginning the process of distancing themselves from the SNP. Probably a wise move Shakey.

A split nationalist vote will always still vote Yes regardless. The SNP aren't moving fast enough for some.. it's not that they don't support independence.

And as much as your post above takes the time to try and understand where the Scottish electorate is at this point of time. I don't agree with any of it. 'Appetite for indy ref practically zero'. You know that's not true. I can tell you that the appetite for anything the Tory and Labour parties have to offer is substantially less than that which the SNP offers. Those 47/8 seats didn't magic themselves into SNP MP's. So, there certainly does seem to be an appetite for SNP MP's offering indy refs.

Shakethedisease

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

I find it interesting that Sturgeon has not mentioned a couple of polls that were run around the same time as the GE.

The YouGov poll had a massive lead for no over yes, Panelbase gave no a slightly smaller lead and Survation still had No in the lead.

Looking at the list, admittedly in Wikipedia, the Yes vote seems to be diminishing. Maybe even the Scots are tired of Sturgeon!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Scottish_independence

I have often thought that Sturgeon would be upset if she ever got independence, she would no longer have anything to moan about, apart from having to run a country on a shoestring and go back on all her promises.

I don't know how you manage to draw that conclusion from the polls you've just linked to. Most of them are within margin of error territory. Also some don't include 16-17 year olds and EU nationals. But I guess if that's what you want to take from them feel free.


Nothing will really move until there's a date or an event to focus on.

Herzlos

Tromking wrote: »

I was talking about the possibility of Holyrood (at the behest of the SNP) continuing to petulantly fly the EU flag after the UK has left the EU.

Why shouldn't it? It and it's country don't want to leave, and want to show the EU that we want to stay.



Why are you brexiteers so upset about the idea? There's going to be EU flags up all over the place, once we leave and even more when we rejoin. You won, get over it snowflake :beer:

mayonnaise

Herzlos wrote: »

Why are you brexiteers so upset about the idea?

It's important stuff for our brexiteer friends....flags, blood purity, bonging bells, etc...

The_Rainmaker

mayonnaise wrote: »

It's important stuff for our brexiteer friends....flags, blood purity, bonging bells, etc...

Sounds more like Arthur Donaldson to me.

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Tromking wrote: »

And as much as your post above takes the time to try and understand where the Scottish electorate is at this point of time. I don't agree with any of it. 'Appetite for indy ref practically zero'. You know that's not true.

This is quite interesting and a window on the Nationalist mentality.
I actually wrote that the appetite among the majority of Scots was zero for indyref2. That is quite patently true, and what else is patently true is that you and the SNP have no interest whatsoever in those Scots who don’t share your view on independence.
Your reply was a manifestation of that lack of interest in other Scots.