The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Tromking

paparossco wrote: »

Not this again. You can lay many things at the door of the SNP but not the sectarian divide in the WoS. ThIs was here long before the SNP was even thought of. Supporters of independence come from a broad church, as do the supporters of the status quo.

When the SNP in an attempt to distance itself from its ‘Tartan Tory’ image began courting the old Labour vote, it knew full well it could step into the sectarian minefield that is the WoS. No problem with the SNP seeking to broaden its appeal, but nots let’s deny the fact that in its efforts to end the British state as we know it, it now how has a political kinship with the likes of Sinn Fein and it’s not inconsiderable support in the Irish Catholic community in Scotland.

Sailtheworld

Tromking wrote: »

No problem with the SNP seeking to broaden its appeal, but nots let’s deny the fact that in its efforts to end the British state as we know it, it now how has a political kinship with the likes of Sinn Fein and it’s not inconsiderable support in the Irish Catholic community in Scotland.

You didn't have a kinship problem when the likes of the BNP & EDL supported Brexit.

paparossco

From where I live in the heart of the WoS I see no evidence of this ‘not inconsiderable support’ you talk of. To imply that all Scots of an Irish Catholic background voted Labour and support Sinn Fein is a bit sweeping. There is clearly some local support for a united Ireland and the ‘military’ and political wings that have that aim, if I recall Sinn Fein have a shop in the East end of Glasgow, but I’ve not seen any sign of them at the Indy marches. I’m sure the press would have picked up on this a long time ago if they were part of AUOB.

I’m sure you are correct and some people will always vote with their heritage in mind (true for the orange side as well) but in my opinion most Scots will vote for what they believe is best for them and their families and not re run the Battle of the Boyne. In 2014 the majority believed they were better off as part of the UK, so a considerable number of Scots with an Irish Catholic background must have voted ‘No’.

Tromking

Sailtheworld wrote: »

You didn't have a kinship problem when the likes of the BNP & EDL supported Brexit.

I prefer to see Brexit as an expression of the will of working class Labour voters than the rather obscure and borderline defunct groups you cite. Brexit is in essence apolitical, it’s only aggrieved Remain voters who want to portray in any other way.
Sinn Fein and the SNP are united in their aim of ending the current makeup of the United Kingdom, that makes them political bedfellows by anyones reasonable assessment.
I don’t doubt that Scottish nationalism is broadly speaking of the civic variety, but let’s not deny the perhaps unintended consequences of the SNP garnering support in areas of Scotland where the antipathy toward the British State is quite keenly felt.

Sailtheworld

Tromking wrote: »

I prefer to see Brexit as an expression of the will of working class Labour voters than the rather obscure and borderline defunct groups you cite. Brexit is in essence apolitical, it’s only aggrieved Remain voters who want to portray in any other way.
Sinn Fein and the SNP are united in their aim of ending the current makeup of the United Kingdom, that makes them political bedfellows by anyones reasonable assessment.
I don’t doubt that Scottish nationalism is broadly speaking of the civic variety, but let’s not deny the perhaps unintended consequences of the SNP garnering support in areas of Scotland where the antipathy toward the British State is quite keenly felt.

Can't the SNP just accept their votes and then put them back in their boxes afterwards? A bit like you explained would happen to the right after they voted for brexit.

Sometimes I wonder if you just don't see the irony of your position.

elantan

the last few days have been fun down in WM eh ?

Thrugelmir

elantan wrote: »

the last few days have been fun down in WM eh ?

I'm sure Corbyn has struck an off record deal with Sturgeon. Without Scottish support he'll never win a majority.

elantan

I dont think he would win a majority anyway ... dont understand why you would think Sturgeon would do a deal what has she got to gain by losing WM seats ?

zagubov

elantan wrote: »

the last few days have been fun down in WM eh ?

They'd be a lot more fun if they end up with Brexit being confined and isolated inside BoJo's tiny imagination.:eek:

elantan

Did anyone watch BoJo in front of the police ? OMFG he makes Donaldo Trump look intelligent

If this is the best we've got were doomed