The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

mollycat

zagubov wrote: »

The fact that a pro-Labour paper in the MainStream Media is reporting this means they're worried it might be true and they're trying to mobilise the Labour faithful to stop it happening.

A lot of gullible people think that the SNP are supposed to be subject to some weird non-existent political "law of gravity" where the SNP's support will soon collapse, and they might be frustrated that it hasn't already, and may even be a bit puzzled why it hasn't kicked in.

These people just don't get it. Think harder.

Maybe you need to look a bit closer to home with regard to the people who "need to think harder".

Yes, the SNP are control in Holyrood, and they have more scottish MPs in WM than the other parties do also.

But........There is an explanation that is so easy to understand, even a child would "get it".

The 30% or so of people who want Scotland to be an independant country vote SNP.

The 60% of people of who either don't sufficiently care about independence, think it's a terrible idea, appreciate the benefits of the union etc, etc have their vote split between all the other parties and those who abstain.

Hence there is the false impression of an appetite for separation that you are picking up in your safe european home, that just does not exist on the streets of Scotland.

Hope that helps your understanding

zagubov

Do the nats have an independence agenda
That'll be a yes.

Is that why people are voting for them?
Nope.

Has anybody noticed how bad a shape the two main unionist parties are, and how they're fracturing and losing direction?
Most of here in England (and Scotland too). Only problem is, down south those parties are pretty much all we've got.

It's Labour and the Tories who are pushing up the support of the SNP, by being unelectably bad in Scotland.

I've no idea how either of those parties can recover their popular appeal and success.

Notice that the LibDems and Greens aren't doing so badly up there either.

mollycat

zagubov wrote: »

Do the nats have an independence agenda
That'll be a yes.

Is that why people are voting for them?
Nope.

Has anybody noticed how bad a shape the two main unionist parties are, and how they're fracturing and losing direction?
Most of here in England (and Scotland too). Only problem is, down south those parties are pretty much all we've got.

It's Labour and the Tories who are pushing up the support of the SNP, by being unelectably bad in Scotland.

I've no idea how either of those parties can recover their popular appeal and success.

Notice that the LibDems and Greens aren't doing so badly up there either.

Yep, exactly. Loads of people who have voted SNP in the past also voted NO in 2014.

The reason the SNP are now in power in Holyrood is because people thought it was safe to use the SNP protest vote after the "once in a lifetime, the result will be respected by both sides" referendum.

That's before they pulled the "indyref2 because of Brexit card".

Losses in the 2017 GE shows that their lack of respect for democracy is beginning to be understood by the electorate.

Just because their is no party worth voting for in Scotland short term doesn't mean we have to commit economic suicide in the long term with independence.

ps. None of this is intended as rocket science, it is well understood and accepted by the vast majority of scottish readers.

Shakethedisease

mollycat wrote: »

Losses in the 2017 GE shows that their lack of respect for democracy is beginning to be understood by the electorate.

Just because their is no party worth voting for in Scotland short term doesn't mean we have to commit economic suicide in the long term with independence.

ps. None of this is intended as rocket science, it is well understood and accepted by the vast majority of scottish readers.

Losses in the 2017 GE are largely down to a 'what's the point' basis. A very large swathe of Scots voters do not see the point of Scottish MPs at Westminster anymore. 59, 29, 9 or none.. makes no difference.



Its been slowly but surely dawning on the Scottish electorate since 1990 and Labour's 'feeble 50' Scottish MP's failed to stop the Poll tax being introduced in Scotland first. 56 SNP MPs being ignored in a similar manner just crystalised things. The way the Brexit vote went and Holyrood's democracy also being over ruled will also further emphasise the democratic deficit.


Scottish politics isn't going back to pure 'party politics' anytime soon. Too many of us left Westminster behind 4 years ago, and many more are waking up to the pointlessness of Scottish MPs being at Westminster. Consequently, many can't be bothered voting in UK GE's anymore. Scottish MPs are seemingly only there to be completely ignored ( see Withdrawal Bill debate on devolved matters ) = little point in sending them.



If there is another GE soon, only the SNP putting Independence front and center in their campaign will have voters flocking back to the polling stations as in 2015. The SNP will almost certainly do so if a GE is called. Nicola Sturgeon is no fool and unlikely to make the same mistake twice.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Nicola Sturgeon is no fool and unlikely to make the same mistake twice.

If she were a chess player then winning a game would be difficult. Predictable springs to mind along with unimaginative.

zagubov

Thrugelmir wrote: »

If she were a chess player then winning a game would be difficult. Predictable springs to mind along with unimaginative.

That might be true, but her only game is elections and electable [STRIKE]trumps[/STRIKE], forgive me, outranks both other adjectives.;)

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

If she were a chess player then winning a game would be difficult. Predictable springs to mind along with unimaginative.

They're winning the debate in Scotland over the Tories power grab. The Supreme Court case is soon.. it'll make for a very interesting constitutional debate. And there are some very angry voices on even the ( previously ) very unionist side about this ( see Murray Foote etc ).

Our exclusive poll shows that the SNP are winning the public argument in the dispute over devolved powers after Brexit.


Exclusive research for the Daily Record shows the SNP are winning the public argument in the dispute over whether powers brought back from Brussels should go to Westminster or Holyrood.
In a blow for Scots Tory leader Ruth Davidson, the Survation poll of more than 1000 Scots show 41 per cent believe the UK Governments actions do amount to a power grab.


In contrast, only 34 per cent believe there is no power grab. The remaining 25 per cent arent sure.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-fears-four-10-scots-12927015

Hmmmmm

Patrick Grady MP
-tonight Scottish Tories in @HouseOfCommons accepted the #ClaimOfRight for Scotland without a vote. I'm not sure what's changed - and I wonder if anyone asked their leader - but the consequences are profound...

mollycat

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-44850200

Not to be trusted; as if we didn't know!

loadsacash

Shakethedisease wrote: »

They're winning the debate in Scotland over the Tories power grab. The Supreme Court case is soon.. it'll make for a very interesting constitutional debate. And there are some very angry voices on even the ( previously ) very unionist side about this ( see Murray Foote etc ).
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/brexit-fears-four-10-scots-12927015

Hmmmmm

Ill bet they are winning the argument over the power grab - SNP were out the weekend after the SNP walkout with leaflets about this so called Power Grab

elantan

Maybe if WM didn't try and grab power from Scotland they wouldn't have needed to be out and letting the Scottish electorate know about it

Just saying