The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

mollycat

elantan wrote: »

Nah ... I like rUK but I want indy for my country ... 1.6 million agreed last time and I reckon there are quite a lot of people that voted No last time that would vote Yes this time

Elantan; I respectfully disagree.

I think it would be the opposite now that people would more likely realise there would be a big economic price to pay.

BTW it's OUR country too

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

Nah ... I like rUK but I want indy for my country ... 1.6 million agreed last time and I reckon there are quite a lot of people that voted No last time that would vote Yes this time

Are you going to keep opting for referenda until you get the result you want?

mollycat

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Are you going to keep opting for referenda until you get the result you want?

Tricky Tree83.

SNP doesn't accept result of 2014 Referendum and can't accept result of EU referendum either, (I do; as much as I am disappointed by the outcome).

Of course they will keep shouting for further referenda; after all, they are opportunists, not democrats.

The "silent majority" of NO voters will keep them out of course.

TrickyTree83

mollycat wrote: »

Tricky Tree83.

SNP doesn't accept result of 2014 Referendum and can't accept result of EU referendum either, (I do; as much as I am disappointed by the outcome).

Of course they will keep shouting for further referenda; after all, they are opportunists, not democrats.

The "silent majority" of NO voters will keep them out of course.

I sincerely hope you are correct, I must say having looked at the last 3 votes (indy ref, Scot parliament, EU ref) there is a correlation between low turnout and SNP "majority". The supposed landslide in the parliamentary elections was based on 55% of the eligible vote, clearly a landslide /sarcasm.

If the numbers are to be believed it does just mean the SNP and their support are a shouty bunch rather than the majority voice. A bit like UKIP in that respect.

mwpt

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I almost shed a tear when I read this.

I'm British first and English second. Thank god there are people up there who haven't bought into this SNP agenda.

The SNP are turning the nations of the union against each other.

I really don't understand your stance.

Scottish nationalists see themselves as having lost control of their country and having their laws and affairs managed by an institution which does not represent their interest. Your view: SNP = bad

English nationalists see themselves as having lost control of their country and having their laws and affairs managed by an institution which does not represent their interest. Your view: Brexit = good

Am I missing something here?

TrickyTree83

mwpt wrote: »

I really don't understand your stance.

Scottish nationalists see themselves as having lost control of their country and having their laws and affairs managed by an institution which does not represent their interest. Your view: SNP = bad

English nationalists see themselves as having lost control of their country and having their laws and affairs managed by an institution which does not represent their interest. Your view: Brexit = good

Am I missing something here?

I want the ability to strike our own trade deals, to write our own laws across the UK. I'm not an English nationalist. I'm very much a unionist.

Scottish nationalists want to become independent only to give that power away again (before they even get it back) to an institution in which they have far less representation as a proportion of the overall vote. Unless this possible 2nd indy ref is because of the EU vote is just a ruse, and they want out of both to be truly independent?

SNP = bad and Brexit = good are not mutually exclusive if you're for the Union but against the EU are they.

elantan

mollycat wrote: »

Tricky Tree83.

SNP doesn't accept result of 2014 Referendum and can't accept result of EU referendum either, (I do; as much as I am disappointed by the outcome).

Of course they will keep shouting for further referenda; after all, they are opportunists, not democrats.

The "silent majority" of NO voters will keep them out of course.

Once again for those in the back that can't heat ... Ahm no SNP

elantan

mollycat wrote: »

Elantan; I respectfully disagree.

I think it would be the opposite now that people would more likely realise there would be a big economic price to pay.

BTW it's OUR country too

It's good to disagree ... we can't all be the same

Have I EVER stated Scotland is not YOUR country ? Or are you putting words into my mouth and maybe trying to build up a debate ?

elantan

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I want the ability to strike our own trade deals, to write our own laws across the UK. I'm not an English nationalist. I'm very much a unionist.

Scottish nationalists want to become independent only to give that power away again (before they even get it back) to an institution in which they have far less representation as a proportion of the overall vote. Unless this possible 2nd indy ref is because of the EU vote is just a ruse, and they want out of both to be truly independent?

SNP = bad and Brexit = good are not mutually exclusive if you're for the Union but against the EU are they.

By your definition I'm not a nationalist then ... cheers

elantan

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Are you going to keep opting for referenda until you get the result you want?

Did the suffragettes give up ? Did LGBT give up, did equal race campaigners give up ? Why would you expet a person that believes the people that are best to decide what's right for their country are the ones that have to live with the consequences to give up ?