The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Tromking

Shakey's journey from stating repeatedly that the Tories were just too toxic in Scotland to achieve anything, to now dripping rather desperately about the unfairness of the easy ride she perceives that Davidson gets, is noted.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Except they do get away with it. You failed to offer this up, why?

https://www.change.org/p/sandra-white-msp-for-glasgow-kelvin-nicola-sturgeon-snp-party-nicola-sturgeon-leader-of-the-scottish-national-party-petition-for-sandra-white-msp-to-resign-following-her-racist-tweet

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-34807884

So again, with the double standards and hypocrisy?

So you don't feel the SNP are held to much higher standards in the Scottish press than Ruth Davidson is ? Fair enough but I disagree.

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

Shakey's journey from stating repeatedly that the Tories were just too toxic in Scotland to achieve anything, to now dripping rather desperately about the unfairness of the easy ride she perceives that Davidson gets, is noted.

I was wearily trying to generate a bit of a debate about Ruth Davidson and her leadership ambitions given all the commentary swirling about. There's only so many times one ( me ) can be bothered going over oil/Salmond/2014 stuff through Tricky does seem to want to relive it.

I only wanted to know what he ( and perhaps others ) thought of Davidson as a potential Tory leader or even PM. What's your own thoughts ?

Why not a member of the Scottish parliament?

The “dual mandate” rule means furthermore that Davidson, once established as a Westminster figure, could also seek election to the Commons once a vacancy arose. Johnson, after all, was simultaneously mayor of London and an MP. Between 1998 and 2004, the late Ian Paisley was an MP, MEP and a member of the Northern Ireland legislative assembly.


None of this need take long. It would provide Davidson with a strategy that did not force her to desert the Scottish party abruptly, and would enable her to stake her claim on the national stage as a champion of the union and a sane Brexit. Those who say she should wait are doing her and the Tory party no favours. In modern politics, once your name is in the frame, reticence is fatal. Now is her moment – but it will not last indefinitely.

And just to clarify, I still think Conservative policy is toxic in Scotland. I think Davidson is where she is due to the constitutional debate alone, not her political party. Imho her politics are more attuned to a Lib Dem who's accidentally found themselves in the Tory party.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

So you don't feel the SNP are held to much higher standards in the Scottish press than Ruth Davidson is ? Fair enough but I disagree.

Government of the day is accountable to the electorate. That's the bottom line. Saying and doing are totally different matters. As people ultimately care about what is delivered. Not just promised.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Government of the day is accountable to the electorate. That's the bottom line. Saying and doing are totally different matters. As people ultimately care about what is delivered. Not just promised.

Yes, I suppose that must be why the SNP are still leading the polls right now after a decade in power, even after a failed independence referendum. Davidson ( in the Holyrood voting intentions) is now trailing third but an election is a long way off.... maybe..

Scottish voting intentions for next Westminster general election (YouGov) :
SNP 40% (+3)
Labour 30% (+3)
Conservatives 23% (-6)
Liberal Democrats 5% (-2)

Monday, October 9, 2017

The press though... oh dear. They're giving folks against Scottish independence shamefully flimsy comfort blankets and straws to cling onto. A real false sense of security. Kelly's blog is openly partisan and his OTT article titles are poking fun at sometimes OTT mainstream media titles. But he's right that there are lots of polling details being buried deep lately. For no other reason than they don't fit the already written article's narrative.

YouGov's new poll is the third full-scale Scottish poll since the general election, and all three have shown that the SNP's support in Westminster voting intentions has gone back up"...

..The equally remarkable thing that the three polls have in common with each other is that the anti-independence media outlet that commissioned them buried all mention of the Westminster results.

http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/new-scottish-poll-is-unmitigated.html?spref=tw

Any thoughts on Davidson as Tory leader ?

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Yes, I suppose that must be why the SNP are still leading the polls right now after a decade in power,

Any thoughts on Davidson as Tory leader ?

Unless there's an election pending, polls are academic. Life is too busy to worry about maybe's. Far better to focus ones energies on today.

None at all. As above. Speculation is the pursuit of those with nothing better to do with their time.

islandannie

cogito wrote: »

Unlike The National which is the most rabid pro indy newspaper.

Speaking of which, here is a link to a recent issue which made me smile.

http://www.thenational.scot/news/15571643.Nicola_Sturgeon_says_2_million_Catalan_votes_for_independence_cannot_be_ignored/

Unlike 2 million pro union voters in Scotland whom Nicola manages to ignore perfectly easily.

Wow that is quite incredible.
It`s beyond her remit, beyond her intellectual capacity and is a clear indication of the typical SNP supporters lack of understanding of National political boundaries.
She has no right to interfere in Spanish internal politics and she also displays a complete ignorance that Spain has the power to completely destroy the Snp wish to remain in the EU Single market.
She is a child in adults clothing.
I shall be ever grateful for her stupidity in keeping the UK unified.:D

foxtrotoscar_2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Oil is an unpredictable commodity. 22 minutes ago :-http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-41552060

The next ref campaign will mention oil very little though.

So why did Swinney make predictions on the oil price?

Joshua_Nkomo

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Yes, I suppose that must be why the SNP are still leading the polls right now after a decade in power, even after a failed independence referendum.

I'll leave you to say it in your own words

Shakethedisease wrote: »

However totally and utterly meaningless for an election a few years away. The polls couldn't even get the 2017 General Election right the night before it.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Unless there's an election pending, polls are academic. Life is too busy to worry about maybe's. Far better to focus ones energies on today.

None at all. As above. Speculation is the pursuit of those with nothing better to do with their time.

I agree with you on the whole about elections. I've said so in both posts recently where polls are cited ( mine included ). The interesting thing with Scottish polls at the moment is that it's only the Holyrood figures for an election that is definitely nearly 4 years away being reported. See the Times this weekend for example.

But, there is a far greater chance of a Westminster election taking place relatively soon should Theresa May's administration collapse. The SNP are regaining lost ground there but it's going completely unreported unless one digs through the data. Why would that be ?

Thirdly, the use of polls and only the use of polls for the last year since the Brexit vote, has been used and cited repeatedly as to why Scotland shouldn't have a vote at the end of this Brexit process as we approach 2019. "The Scottish people don't want it" is the usual speil.

Speculation is the pursuit of those with nothing better to do with their time

Davidson, Mundell, May, Dugdale, Rennie etc are not using polls as idle speculation. They've been using carefully selected parts of opinion polls for the last year as the sole reason to undermine Holyrood and the Scottish Parliament itself.

So am sorry, but your dismissal of how the media, and indeed those with an agenda use opinion polling to shape narratives is a little naive to say the least.