The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

baldelectrician

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

Can you please translate that?

My tuppence-
Westminster allows a vote when Yes is at 30%


Westminster vetoes / denies / delays a vote when yes is at 47% +


And before you go on about once in a generation remember we live in a parliamentary system so one politician / party cannot bind the next parliament


That's why there can be a vote more than once.

Enterprise_1701C

The vote was delayed because there is way too much going on with brexit to mess about with that at that time. Besides which, the vote was designed to attempt to derail brexit anyway, sturgeon was in a sulk and would have done anything to get her own way.

Don't forget, it is all about personal ambition with her. I suspect she wants to become president of the eu, and the only way she can do that is to be the leader of a country within the eu, therefore she needs Scotland to be an "independent" country within the eu, she would sell Scotland down the road to get there.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You still don't understand string. Taking many of these powers back will mean rewriting the Scotland Act.

What you don't understand is that democracy derives decisions from the majority, not a minority thinking they live in a different country. See also Shaka's post

By the way, re your deflection above, it was a deflection.

Arklight

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You're only proving my point I'm afraid. Posts since you highlighted this story are again focusing on justifying the SNP's form of nationalism simply due to what was put in the party name 90 years ago.. rather than any party policies they follow ( pro-EU, immigration etc etc ).

No one on the indy side can be a***d going round this particular merry go round once again. And certainly not in the wake of the Brexit vote last year with the slightly sinister spotlight on immigration that went with it.

The UK is a political union. It's one I feel should end soon its as simple as that. There is very little evidence ( if you can find it then do post it ) of widespread anti-English sentiment among Yes voters. However, many of us do not care for the politicians, policies and governments the English populace tend to put into office the majority of the time ( over the last few decades ). No one's fault, but the sheer dominance of the English vote within the UK means what England votes for England gets 100% of the time. This is not the case for the rest of the UK.

The below is not acceptable in a political union.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/liam-fox-tries-to-bypass-scots-and-welsh-in-bid-for-brexit-trade-deals-bw7khh6b7

There is a vein of anti English sentiment in Scottish culture full stop. It's not the only part of Scottish culture, I'm not saying it's the main part of Scottish culture. But it's a part of Scottish culture and it's one that's not exactly suppressed by nationalism.

I think pretending there isn't is disingenuous, and doesn't help the cause of Scottish independence any more than the Brexiteers are helped by ignoring their own racists.

At some point you may get independence, then these people won't have the English to blame for all their own failures and what are you going to do with them?

However I think for the timebeing the SNP wants their votes and that's why there won't be a change of name.

Personally I am quite content for Scotland to become independent if it so wishes. If only so you can't keep lumbering us with even more Tory MPs than we have already.

Shakethedisease

cogito wrote: »

What you were actually trying to do was make us think that the protestors were English and hoped that no one would notice. Scotland has more than its share of racist bigots as anyone who has attended an Old Firm game knows.

No. I have no idea why you'd think that I was trying to pass off those celebrating a No win in Sept 2014 in George Square ( and I clearly labelled the pics as such ).. as English. They're not and I never said they were.

But you were getting a little carried away with defining the SNP's brand of nationalism. There was no harm in showing you that things aren't quite so cut and dried in Scotland these days.

Shakethedisease

Arklight wrote: »

There is a vein of anti English sentiment in Scottish culture full stop. It's not the only part of Scottish culture, I'm not saying it's the main part of Scottish culture. But it's a part of Scottish culture and it's one that's not exactly suppressed by nationalism.

I think pretending there isn't is disingenuous, and doesn't help the cause of Scottish independence any more than the Brexiteers are helped by ignoring their own racists.

At some point you may get independence, then these people won't have the English to blame for all their own failures and what are you going to do with them?

However I think for the timebeing the SNP wants their votes and that's why there won't be a change of name.

Personally I am quite content for Scotland to become independent if it so wishes. If only so you can't keep lumbering us with even more Tory MPs than we have already.

There's just as big a vein of anti-Scottish sentiment running through English culture too imo. A sense that Scotland is nothing more than a region of England rather than a full and equal signatory of the Treaty of Union. It's also disingenuous to ignore this and to pretend that a Hard Brexit without informing or even allowing devolved parliaments a say in the matter is good news for the Union.

The SNP won't change their name. It's another throwaway comment Sturgeon made turned into a screeching headline. There are far more important things to be getting on with at the present time.

I too am sorry about he Tory MP's. However it's probably a necessary part of putting the Scottish Conservatives front and center and seeing them crash and burn when it comes to protecting farmers, fishermen etc from whatever WTO nightmare Liam Fox has planned. Davidson is already angling and lobbying hard for separate policies for Scotland... an independent Scottish Tory party if you will. She and her Tory MP's won't get very far and it's time all of Scotland to saw how ineffective they really are.

Rinoa

Shakethedisease wrote: »

A sense that Scotland is nothing more than a region of England rather than a full and equal signatory of the Treaty of Union. It's also disingenuous to ignore this and to pretend that a Hard Brexit without informing or even allowing devolved parliaments a say in the matter is good news for the Union.

You are represented in Parliament and are able to express your views there without hindrence. I see no reason why you should be offered further consultation over and above anywhere else in the UK.

cogito

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No. I have no idea why you'd think that I was trying to pass off those celebrating a No win in Sept 2014 in George Square ( and I clearly labelled the pics as such ).. as English. They're not and I never said they were.

But you were getting a little carried away with defining the SNP's brand of nationalism. There was no harm in showing you that things aren't quite so cut and dried in Scotland these days.

You are assuming that people outside Scotland know where George Square is. I doubt that many do.

Shaka_Zulu

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The SNP won't change their name. It's another throwaway comment Sturgeon made turned into a screeching headline. There are far more important things to be getting on with at the present time.

They haven't got on with anything for the last couple of years! What have they done?

Shaka_Zulu

Picked this up from YESNP Brigadoon & Shortbread West FB page. Made me giggle

So the Nipster wants tae drop the reference tae "Nationalism" frae wor braw party name. Hen, if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck and looks like a duck ��, ye'll jist have tae face facts. It's a duck. Tak a meenit tae think aboot it ya daftie!