The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

Arklight wrote: »

She and the SNP are quite free to take the word 'National' out. It's hardly like renaming it the Scottish Independence Party would confuse anyone.

I'm not as convinced as you are that people who have a grievance against English people rather against a union with England are as unwelcome in the SNP as you claim, having been on the receiving end of a few of them. But presumably the SNP doesn't want them anyway.

You're only proving my point I'm afraid. Posts since you highlighted this story are again focusing on justifying the SNP's form of nationalism simply due to what was put in the party name 90 years ago.. rather than any party policies they follow ( pro-EU, immigration etc etc ).

No one on the indy side can be a***d going round this particular merry go round once again. And certainly not in the wake of the Brexit vote last year with the slightly sinister spotlight on immigration that went with it.

The UK is a political union. It's one I feel should end soon its as simple as that. There is very little evidence ( if you can find it then do post it ) of widespread anti-English sentiment among Yes voters. However, many of us do not care for the politicians, policies and governments the English populace tend to put into office the majority of the time ( over the last few decades ). No one's fault, but the sheer dominance of the English vote within the UK means what England votes for England gets 100% of the time. This is not the case for the rest of the UK.

The below is not acceptable in a political union.

Liam Fox is demanding the right to bypass the Scottish and Welsh governments when striking free trade agreements after Brexit...

..In his letter, Dr Fox set out four options for negotiating trade deals, from agreeing a common position with the devolved governments to ignoring them and declaring trade a reserved matter for the British government. Dr Fox is understood to favour options that do not give the devolved administrations a veto.

The move has split the cabinet, which received Dr Fox’s letter in the past week. David Mundell, the Scottish secretary, Alun Cairns, the Welsh secretary, and James Brokenshire, the Northern Ireland secretary are said to have rejected Dr Fox’s proposals. They are worried that it will further undermine the devolution settlement, strengthen the nationalists in Scotland and destabilise the situation further in Northern Ireland, where the devolved administration remains suspended.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/liam-fox-tries-to-bypass-scots-and-welsh-in-bid-for-brexit-trade-deals-bw7khh6b7

cogito

Shakethedisease wrote: »

George Square 2014


I guess ordinary decent people who live in Scotland will have to make their own minds up about which nationalism is 'better' than the other.

Those photographs are of Scottish loyalists demonstrating in Glasgow. What's your point?

.string.

Dr Fox is understood to favour options that do not give the devolved administrations a veto.

It is clearly unacceptable that the devolved administrations have a veto over the whole of the UK.

Shaka_Zulu

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The below is not acceptable in a political union.

Here we go again. Hold the front page the Nats want a veto!

I think you will find that the majority in Scotland are much more pragmatic and realise this is a UK issue. If the voters agreed with your party then you might have achieved a majority of the popular vote.

There will be no Scottish independence in your lifetime Shakey so relax and enjoy our independence from Europe (assuming the Tories hold their water and don't bottle it).

Shakethedisease

cogito wrote: »

Those photographs are of Scottish loyalists demonstrating in Glasgow. What's your point?

They're celebrating a No vote in George Square 2014 waving 'No Thanks' placards while doing Nazi salutes. Paradoxical I know, but all the seedier elements of traditional nationalism ( as opposed to the SNP's civic nationalism ) sectarianism, racism and alt right views are all British Nationalists and Unionists in Scotland,.

Ruth Davidson is currently reaping the vast rewards of fanning those particular flames right now.

5 hours ago

Tory councillors return to fold after 'offensive tweets'

Alastair Majury and Robert Davies made comments about Catholics and black people.

Davies posted a series of tweets captioning a picture of black people waiting to board a cargo plane.
One such tweet read: "In the interests of security keep your loin cloths with you at all times. Spears go in the overhead locker."

Despite the posts, both have had their party membership handed back to them.A spokesman for the party said: "Having served a suspension, both councillors have been readmitted to the party after offering unreserved apologies for any offence caused.

https://stv.tv/news/politics/1396092-tory-councillors-suspension-lifted-over-offensive-tweets/

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

It is clearly unacceptable that the devolved administrations have a veto over the whole of the UK.

You still don't understand string. Taking many of these powers back will mean rewriting the Scotland Act.

The prospect of GM foods in particular is likely to be controversial. In 2015 Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland banned the cultivation of GM crops while England did not. This could pose a problem striking a trade deal with the United States, where GM food is common.

Forget the SNP.. Good luck selling the above to the Scots/Welsh and NI people, among a host of other objectionables.. I'm really looking forward to seeing the Tories try it.

Shakethedisease

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

Here we go again. Hold the front page the Nats want a veto!

I think you will find that the majority in Scotland are much more pragmatic and realise this is a UK issue. If the voters agreed with your party then you might have achieved a majority of the popular vote.

There will be no Scottish independence in your lifetime Shakey so relax and enjoy our independence from Europe (assuming the Tories hold their water and don't bottle it).

Only a complete fool ever makes 100% political predictions such as that in your last paragraph. Oh, wait...

cogito

Shakethedisease wrote: »

They're celebrating a No vote in George Square 2014 waving 'No Thanks' placards while doing Nazi salutes. Paradoxical I know, but all the seedier elements of traditional nationalism ( as opposed to the SNP's civic nationalism ) sectarianism, racism and alt right views are all British Nationalists and Unionists in Scotland,.

Ruth Davidson is currently reaping the vast rewards of fanning those particular flames right now.

5 hours agohttps://stv.tv/news/politics/1396092-tory-councillors-suspension-lifted-over-offensive-tweets/

What you were actually trying to do was make us think that the protestors were English and hoped that no one would notice. Scotland has more than its share of racist bigots as anyone who has attended an Old Firm game knows.

skintandfat

Independence is a matter of when and not if.


The youngsters are mainly in favour of Scottish independence.


I reckon a 1%-2% swing from No to yes per year as the young come up and the older (NO 70%) pass on


When you take in to account the EU nationals who were 70% in favour of NO and the (then) status quo who will be around 60% yes next time the tide is turning.


I know of one guy who is a staunch unionist and all his kids (3 of them) are now Yes supporters.
They are now all age to vote (2 were not last time)


Last time my middle son (15 then) could not vote, he can now. In 2 years my daughter (14 now) can vote in the next referendum.


The young couple next door are mixed- one yes and the other maybe (either will not vote or will vote Yes)


Time will tell


You can understand UK Westminster democracy


2014- Yes Scotland can have a vote (30% for yes in the polls) - YES


2017- can we have a vote (after majority in Scottish Parliament and manifesto commitment)- now is not the time ; yes at 47%

Shaka_Zulu

skintandfat wrote: »

2014- Yes Scotland can have a vote (30% for yes in the polls) - YES


2017- can we have a vote (after majority in Scottish Parliament and manifesto commitment)- now is not the time ; yes at 47%

Can you please translate that?