The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

norsefox wrote: »

A minority that includes Professor Curtice.

"British politics died on September 18th 2014. There is no such things as British politics. Rather there is Scottish politics, Northern Irish politics, and English and Welsh politics."

This statement was made one week before the latest GE farce in Glasgow at a Times+ seminar.

Can't find any record of that at all. Not that it makes the statement I made untrue.

norsefox

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Can't find any record of that at all. Not that it makes the statement I made untrue.

There will be a transcript somewhere. I was there when he made the statement.

For the record the entire panel completely agreed. As they would, because its rather obvious and observable - just look at how the front page of the Sun/Times/Mail varies on the same day between Scotland and England.

That's not to state that there is anything exceptional about any country, but their individual politics have diverged, as it made clear by most opinion polls conducted these days.

baldelectrician

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

Remember the VAT debacle on the mergers of the Regional Forces in Scotland in to a National Force? The NATs went ahead with that in the full knowledge of the VAT implications!

Shambles!

The same 'fair' UK government changed the VAT laws to exempt opt out schools and academies in England and Wales yet could not find the time to exempt Police Scotland.

Also- the Home Office pay (out of UK taxation) for party conference policing (except in Scotland of course)




Link to VAT rules (changed in 2014 and 2017, after the formation of Police Scotland in 2013)
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/vat-notice-70130-education-and-vocational-training/vat-notice-70130-education-and-vocational-training

baldelectrician

antrobus wrote: »

Well, yes, running an an independent country would be a bit more expensive. The cost of running your own central bank, and so forth, it all adds up, you know.

Yet, as part of the UK we pay for the Home Office, the UK passport agency, the MOD etc


We are paying for these services NOW but the economic benefits are mainly outside Scotland (many UK civil service jobs are located around Whitehall / London)
London and the SE of England benefit from these jobs. As far as I know only DFID is based in Scotland (East Kilbride)


When independence comes many jobs will be needed to be relocated but there will be a net economic benefit as the Scottish economy will be the sole / main beneficiary.

TrickyTree83

baldelectrician wrote: »

Yet, as part of the UK we pay for the Home Office, the UK passport agency, the MOD etc


We are paying for these services NOW but the economic benefits are mainly outside Scotland (many UK civil service jobs are located around Whitehall / London)
London and the SE of England benefit from these jobs. As far as I know only DFID is based in Scotland (East Kilbride)


When independence comes many jobs will be needed to be relocated but there will be a net economic benefit as the Scottish economy will be the sole / main beneficiary.

Haha yeah? Show us the figures mate, not hot air.

islandannie

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Haha yeah? Show us the figures mate, not hot air.

He can`t because reality forms no part of the Nationalist mindset.It looks very much like he is a wings supplicant.

Whatever Campbell says is accepted as the only truth.

baldelectrician

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Haha yeah? Show us the figures mate, not hot air.

How about this:


https://www.adzuna.co.uk/jobs/civil-service


The 1265 UK civil service jobs advertised today on this site- Scotland gets 3% of the advertised jobs.


Are you going to say that's our fair share and we should just be grateful?

TrickyTree83

baldelectrician wrote: »

How about this:


https://www.adzuna.co.uk/jobs/civil-service


The 1265 UK civil service jobs advertised today on this site- Scotland gets 3% of the advertised jobs.


Are you going to say that's our fair share and we should just be grateful?

Where is the rest of the UK's fair share of ship building contracts from government?

Where is the fairness in higher public funding per person in Scotland?

You want to have a grievance about fairness then you would be better focussing on what Scotland actually gets out of the UK, it's far more significant. E.g. Do you know how many publically funded jobs there are in Scotland in proportion to private sector jobs and how that compares with say England for example?

islandannie

baldelectrician wrote: »

How about this:


https://www.adzuna.co.uk/jobs/civil-service


The 1265 UK civil service jobs advertised today on this site- Scotland gets 3% of the advertised jobs.


Are you going to say that's our fair share and we should just be grateful?

What on earth are you on about?The amount of jobs advertised are just that,meaning the amount of vacancies at a given time.

Have look at this.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/publicsectorpersonnel/bulletins/civilservicestatistics/2016 and pay attention to Figure 6,it will explain why your post is absolutely worthless.

baldelectrician

Scotland has its own civil service as well and the figures above include DWP and benefits offices in Scotland (which will still be there when independence happens)


The fact remains that the MOD, home office and many UK civil service jobs are based outside Scotland (like the DVLA and passport service).
Currently Scottish taxpayers pay for these and the benefits go elsewhere.