The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

mollycat

CLAPTON wrote: »

there is certainly a lot of votes in Scotland in being a anti-English nationalist

most english support their scottish neighbours no anyone but the english, down south

concern of fairness and more equality in the block grant should be something we all support

I wish non scottish contributors to threads like this could get their heads round the fact that all Scots are not all the same.

MOST Scots don't want Independance.

MOST Scots don't have a childish "anyone but the English" mentality.

Scots who voted Remain will mostly still want to Remain also in the UK.

Please consider the feelings of NO voting Remainers before posting generalisations; there are literally millions of us.

We want to work through the difficulties caused by Brexit alongside our English, Irish and Welsh countrymen, not seperately from them.

CLAPTON

mollycat wrote: »

I wish non scottish contributors to threads like this could get their heads round the fact that all Scots are not all the same.

MOST Scots don't want Independance.

MOST Scots don't have a childish "anyone but the English" mentality.

Scots who voted Remain will mostly still want to Remain also in the UK.

Please consider the feelings of NO voting Remainers before posting generalisations; there are literally millions of us.

We want to work through the difficulties caused by Brexit alongside our English, Irish and Welsh countrymen, not seperately from them.

in what way is your post related to mine?

I didn't mention independence
but many DO have an AOBE whilst most English do support Scotland
and you failed to mention to fairness of the Barnett formula

mollycat

Hello Clapton.

Of course the barnett formula is generous to Scotland; myself and many others appreciate that.

One of the really frustrating thing about debating these kinds of things with nationalists is that they somehow believe Scotland is disadvantaged within the UK and are getting a "raw deal".

I can completely understand why folks in England could adopt a negative, "let them go" attitude to us when hearing that type of nonsense.

But please don't think we all have these characteristics; far from it.

Remember MOST of us want to stay; but that doesn't make such good copy.

Leanne1812

I'd have agreed with you Molly until as recently as last week. However, brexit changes how some people view the union. To some if an independent Scotland was the only means of remaining in the EU that would swing it. Even our most staunch unionist poster on here has said as much. I appreciate not everyone holds the same views but to state MOST scots don't want independence is an unknown now.

The Scottish government are looking at all possible options for Scotland to remain in the EU. I am pleased about this as a remainer. It does not automatically mean indy2. Nothing is clear right now nor does it appear we will have any clarity before a new PM is elected. Even then will they trigger Article 50 immediately or not? These are very uncertain times and I don't imagine anyone is happy with how politics in the uk is being played out & portrayed right now.

As far as anti English sentiment goes I am married to an Englishman as is Shakes, Elantan is English and Zag lives in England. We have been round this issue endlessly on almost every Scottish/independence thread. I'm not saying it does not exist but not on here.

Sapphire

mollycat wrote: »

Hello Clapton.

Of course the barnett formula is generous to Scotland; myself and many others appreciate that.

One of the really frustrating thing about debating these kinds of things with nationalists is that they somehow believe Scotland is disadvantaged within the UK and are getting a "raw deal".

I can completely understand why folks in England could adopt a negative, "let them go" attitude to us when hearing that type of nonsense.

But please don't think we all have these characteristics; far from it.

Remember MOST of us want to stay; but that doesn't make such good copy.

It is good to hear your view. I have been quite distressed about the impression given via the SNP that most Scots hate the rest of the United Kingdom ever since the issue first came up. Before that, I always admired the character of the Scots especially (but also of the Welsh and Irish), and liked them. I was amazed that our country contained nations within it that had such distinct identities, yet managed to live together throughout centuries of often turbulent history (both for our nations internally and between us). I've recently been studying various periods of British history, which included the history of relationships between the Scots and the English. I was very disappointed to be given the impression by the SNP that the Scots hated us.

As for the issue of Scottish independence, does the SNP actually think Scotland would have more 'independence' within an EU that is looking increasingly totalitarian, than it does as a part of the United Kingdom? It seems that all the 'scare stories', and more of them than I knew about, which were circulating before the referendum are in fact true. Merkel and Juncker are doggedly pushing ahead with their agenda to create an undemocratic political dictatorship ruled by Germany no matter the alarm and dissatisfaction expressed not only by Britain, but also by many other European nations. There is simply no 'give' and no negotiation. I find this prospect incredibly scary.

I think I believe more in nations, in which populations have at least some say in the actions of their leaders and can remove them if they don't agree with them, than in empires in which populations – especially of such disparate nations – have no say. This is a recipe for disaster, in my view.

elantan

Sapphire wrote: »

It is good to hear your view. I have been quite distressed about the impression given via the SNP that most Scots hate the rest of the United Kingdom ever since the issue first came up. Before that, I always admired the character of the Scots especially (but also of the Welsh and Irish), and liked them. I was amazed that our country contained nations within it that had such distinct identities, yet managed to live together throughout centuries of often turbulent history (both for our nations internally and between us). I've recently been studying various periods of British history, which included the history of relationships between the Scots and the English. I was very disappointed to be given the impression by the SNP that the Scots hated us.

As for the issue of Scottish independence, does the SNP actually think Scotland would have more 'independence' within an EU that is looking increasingly totalitarian, than it does as a part of the United Kingdom? It seems that all the 'scare stories', and more of them than I knew about, which were circulating before the referendum are in fact true. Merkel and Juncker are doggedly pushing ahead with their agenda to create an undemocratic political dictatorship ruled by Germany no matter the alarm and dissatisfaction expressed not only by Britain, but also by many other European nations. There is simply no 'give' and no negotiation. I find this prospect incredibly scary.

I think I believe more in nations, in which populations have at least some say in the actions of their leaders and can remove them if they don't agree with them, than in empires in which populations – especially of such disparate nations – have no say. This is a recipe for digsaster, in my view.

Please by all means give us the proof that the snp have given the impression the Scots hate the English ... until then shut up cause ahm sick to the back teeth of hearing it ... it's an old argument that's still awaiting proof

So put up or shut up

elantan

Sheesh here I am defending the bloody SNP ... I don't even support them and I'm defending them

Ahm away tae lay doon

islandannie

elantan wrote: »

Please by all means give us the proof that the snp have given the impression the Scots hate the English ... until then shut up cause ahm sick to the back teeth of hearing it ... it's an old argument that's still awaiting proof

So put up or shut up

Former SNP leader tells Alex Salmond: Attack the English 'southern cancer' to win referendum
Scottish nationalists must dump their "sterile" case for independence and attack the English “southern cancer” if they want to win next year’s referendum, a former SNP leader has said as the ‘Yes’ campaign was hit with a double blow.

Sounds like little bit of hatred to me.

wotsthat

Sapphire wrote: »

As for the issue of Scottish independence, does the SNP actually think Scotland would have more 'independence' within an EU that is looking increasingly totalitarian, than it does as a part of the United Kingdom? It seems that all the 'scare stories', and more of them than I knew about, which were circulating before the referendum are in fact true. Merkel and Juncker are doggedly pushing ahead with their agenda to create an undemocratic political dictatorship ruled by Germany no matter the alarm and dissatisfaction expressed not only by Britain, but also by many other European nations. There is simply no 'give' and no negotiation. I find this prospect incredibly scary.

You know how you feel about the 'EU'? Well the SNP feel exactly the same way about 'Westminster'.

Nothing to do with you not liking foreigners or the SNP not liking the English. Of course not - it's all about democracy.

Leanne1812

islandannie wrote: »

Former SNP leader tells Alex Salmond: Attack the English 'southern cancer' to win referendum
Scottish nationalists must dump their "sterile" case for independence and attack the English “southern cancer” if they want to win next year’s referendum, a former SNP leader has said as the ‘Yes’ campaign was hit with a double blow.

Sounds like little bit of hatred to me.

You know how it works Annie. Got a link for that accusation?