The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The problem for Labour now is that a lot of people didn't realise that voting for Corbyn was for a hard Brexit and are just waking up. It'll be an interesting show.. but one for the SNP to sit out for the time being.
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This hard Brexit is just an invention. There is little talk of hard or soft within Brussels.

Corbyn or May would end up negotiating with the same constant - Barnier and the team.

We will leave the EU, and they may repackage something which looks like a trade arrangement in place from elsewhere. The Norway or Ukraine models don't exactly fit our circumstances.

There could even be some transitional arrangements to cloud the waters.

I really doubt it will look cut and dried in 18 months time, not like the clear dramatic outcome Nicola seems to hope for.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-40415457

You fools.. ( well according to Massie ).

alexmassie‏Verified account @alexmassie 1h1 hour ago
Memo to Lobby hacks: This "resetting" of IndyRef2 amounts to little more than a six month delay. A year, at most. It's not a reset at all.

:eek:

Good move. Takes the heat off the SNP and independence for a year ( the option is still there )... while the media and folks like Tricky refocus back onto Brexit.

Ruth Davidson, the new Tory, Labour MP's and Dugdale will all have to scrabble about trying to find something else to talk about and perhaps a few actual policies. Davidson in particular is going to find the going tough over the next year. Still, the notion that an indy ref has been 'reset' is a good one taking the heat out. Even if that's not actually what was said.

* Ms Sturgeon stressed that the SNP won the general election in Scotland and that this reinforced the mandate for a referendum initially received in the Holyrood election of May 2016.

* She upheld the policy that a referendum should be held at the end of the Brexit process.

* By stressing the mandate to hold a referendum within the current Holyrood parliament, she strongly hinted the vote should take place before May 2021.

* She gave a clear timetable (autumn 2018) for making a decision on the timing of a referendum, which removes the concern that today's decision is going to later mutate into an 'indefinite postponement'.

* She undertook to step up campaigning for independence even before a referendum is called - the complete reverse of assumptions that the topic is going to be "parked".

http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/sturgeon-sticks-firmly-with-policy-of.html

Shaka_Zulu

Here is something else to talk about.

More mismanagement from the SNP

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

This hard Brexit is just an invention. There is little talk of hard or soft within Brussels.

Corbyn or May would end up negotiating with the same constant - Barnier and the team.

We will leave the EU, and they may repackage something which looks like a trade arrangement in place from elsewhere. The Norway or Ukraine models don't exactly fit our circumstances.

There could even be some transitional arrangements to cloud the waters.

I really doubt it will look cut and dried in 18 months time, not like the clear dramatic outcome Nicola seems to hope for.

She has till 2021 to call another ref though. That's what I meant when I said this GE would change nothing in that regard. June 2017 will be a distant memory by then. Brexit consequences all too immediate. There will either be an epic political disaster in the making, or a potential economic one. Depending on how negotiations go surrounding the FOM and the Single Market.

Hard or Soft Brexit ? I don't know if it's an invention or not, all I can say from following social media since coming back from my hols is that there are various high profile Labour supporters ( Owen Jones, Bonnie Greer etc ) and loads of remainers who have all convinced themselves that Corbyn is about to reverse his current leave the Single Market/Customs Union stance... in favour of a more Norway-esque approach. When challenged on what Labour's manifesto said the best they can come up with is 'we'll see'..

Shakethedisease

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

Here is something else to talk about.

More mismanagement from the SNP

Aren't we leaving EU subsidies behind anyway ? The Farmers voted for no EU subsidies and CAP anymore. Time they got used to the idea eh Shaka, for there won't be any past 2020.

Shaka_Zulu

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Good move. Takes the heat off the SNP and independence for a year

As far as the Nats are concerned the option is always there, to the detriment of the country.

The Nats have been shown over and over again to be wholly incompetent, and that is why with the current administration independence is and will remain for the foreseeable future pie in the sky.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

( the option is still there )

No it isn't.

Conrad

Shakethedisease wrote: »

loads of remainers who have all convinced themselves that Corbyn is about to reverse his current leave the Single Market/Customs Union stance... in favour of a more Norway-esque approach.


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What did you think when during the referendum campaign, Remainers such as Clegg and Umuna kept saying a 'Norway style option would be the worst of all worlds, fax democracy, having to accept Brussels rules with no say'?


What do you think of the new report done in Germany highlighting great potential damage to German car industry (and others) if trade with UK is hampered?

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You fools.. ( well according to Massie ).

:eek:

Good move. Takes the heat off the SNP and independence for a year ( the option is still there )... while the media and folks like Tricky refocus back onto Brexit.

Ruth Davidson, the new Tory, Labour MP's and Dugdale will all have to scrabble about trying to find something else to talk about and perhaps a few actual policies. Davidson in particular is going to find the going tough over the next year. Still, the notion that an indy ref has been 'reset' is a good one taking the heat out. Even if that's not actually what was said.
http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/2017/06/sturgeon-sticks-firmly-with-policy-of.html

I was mainly referring to the all knowing posters on here who consistently told us it (indyref2) will happen, not only that it will happen that it will be before Brexit concludes. Not so... again.

NCC-1707

Remind me pro Indyref2 nut jobs what was your timetable for it? You were wrong, and not for the last time I suspect. NS and the SNP have postponed Indyref2 for one reason only and that's because the Scottish people would vote against it.

kelpie35

I wonder how many seats she would lose now (hopefully 30) if there was another snap election.

I did hope and pray that she had seen the error of her ways, but with her attitude she "thinks" she is so right and knows us better than we know ourselves.