The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

IveSeenTheLight

Yah_Boo_Sux wrote: »

"Possibly".
Polls, huh? Not exactly in agreement with their forecasts, are they? Well the latest ComRes national poll says http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-election-poll-comres-idUKKBN18U0QP?il=0

Indeed, I've always said that you can't rely on a poll.
Only poll that counts is the official poll the day we all vote

IveSeenTheLight

kelpie35 wrote: »

Hopefully at least 10 seats

Do you realise that getting 3/4 of the seats you are standing for is a pretty big message?

elantan

I reckon some people believe that even if the SNP got all 59 seats and was voted for by 75% of the population it still wouldn't be enough

Yah_Boo_Sux

"New poll reveals SNP support dropping in Scotland as Labour on the rise."

The poll by Survation, commissioned by the Sunday Post, found that once undecided voters were stripped out Scottish Labour were on 25 per cent, up eight points from a similar poll on April 23.
The SNP are on 40 per cent (down three points) while the Tories are on 27 per cent (down one point) and the Lib Dems are on six per cent (down three points).

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/new-poll-reveals-snp-support-10557205
"Survation carried out the survey of 1024 Scots between May 31 and June 2."

Yes it's only a poll. Yes the one that counts is on June 8th. But not a great sign of all the positivity that SNP supporters would have us believe, is it? Forecast = SNP 46 seats on what, 40-odd percent of the overall vote?

Shakethedisease

Yah_Boo_Sux wrote: »

"New poll reveals SNP support dropping in Scotland as Labour on the rise."

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/new-poll-reveals-snp-support-10557205
"Survation carried out the survey of 1024 Scots between May 31 and June 2."

Yes it's only a poll. Yes the one that counts is on June 8th. But not a great sign of all the positivity that SNP supporters would have us believe, is it? Forecast = SNP 46 seats on what, 40-odd percent of the overall vote?

Wake up a bit, it's not about the seat numbers it's about the bigger picture over the next two years.

In another perverse irony, Theresa May’s fateful decision to call a snap general election has done them no harm at all and may even have helped their cause. They are in a win-win situation. If Thursday delivers a hung parliament (now considered merely improbable rather than impossible), then the SNP can hold the balance of power at Westminster and use it to force agreement for an early independence referendum.

If May somehow manages to preserve a working majority, Scotland’s large working-class communities can expect no respite from the Tories one-sided austerity programme. A hard Brexit will also hit Scotland more than the rest of the UK. Scotland’s population is 8.4% of the UK’s, but it receives 17.5% of its EU grants.
The prospect of this being washed away by the Tories’ gunboat negotiations over Brexit and five more years of hard-right government will present the SNP with a classic opportunity to bring about Scottish independence.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/04/ruth-davidson-tactics-pave-way-for-scottish-independence

McKenna has put it very succinctly and bluntly in today's Guardian. Plus the polls are all over the place the last week or so, some with the Tories 100 seats ahead, some predicting a hung parliament. No one knows what's going on never mind how it will translate on a constituency by constituency basis. The Tories will gain some seats in Scotland, and with Labour's current resurgence there's a chance Labour will too. Longer term coming up on Brexit negotiations ? .. means nothing till we hit 2019. The SNP called the last ref with just 6 MP's at Westminster. If this GE does result in the 46 seats on 40% of the vote you predict, that's still massive compared to then.

You have a short memory it seems. No harm in reminding you what the situation was that led to the last ref which was SIX MP's but a vote from a pro-indy majority in Holyrood. Will the the same this time round, but with many more MP's.

cogito

It doesn't matter if the SNP held the balance of power. They would still have fewer than 60 out of 650 MPs. You are assuming that all MPs representing non-Scottish seats would oppose the Tories. Why would they do that on a question of constitutional importance? They wouldn't.

elantan

The fact that only 59 Scottish MP''s exist kinda proves the point Scotland needs independence ... so we can decide our future for ourselves

Shakethedisease

cogito wrote: »

It doesn't matter if the SNP held the balance of power. They would still have fewer than 60 out of 650 MPs. You are assuming that all MPs representing non-Scottish seats would oppose the Tories. Why would they do that on a question of constitutional importance? They wouldn't.

Oh you sweet summer child...

In the still unlikely event of a hung parliament the Tories if they had more seats would try and form a govt. Both Labour and the SNP would vote against.. then it's over to Labour to try and form a minority govt. The SNP are under no obligation to vote for them either... Labour would ( like Cameron did with Clegg ) have to sit down and work out a deal, Labour maybe to offer some kind of concession, or something the SNP really want, maybe a wee vote of come kind ? What could it be, not an AV referendum this time like Clegg got.. but a section 30 perhaps ? In order to form a working govt.

In any case I don't think Corbyn is particularly bothered or very interested in Scotland. He only seems to say something whenever Scottish Labour give him a poke in the ribs now and again. If it's a hung parliament and whatever the narratives about no deals, no talks etc is now.. he's going to have to talk to the SNP sooner or later otherwise the SNP will just abstain when he tries to form a govt. Or else just vote him in, then abstain on everything else until a section 30 or whatever is voted through.

mollycat

elantan wrote: »

The fact that only 59 Scottish MP''s exist kinda proves the point Scotland needs independence ... so we can decide our future for ourselves

Except yourself of course who will have emigrated.

The smell of hypocrisy; the least palatable fragrance of all.

elantan

mollycat wrote: »

Except yourself of course who will have emigrated.

The smell of hypocrisy; the least palatable fragrance of all.

You really seem jelous of me moving away ... I feel sorry for you ... hope that bitterness doesn't choke you

But PS .. it doesn't change the facts