The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Yah_Boo_Sux

Some more not-so-good news for the SNP.

Voters in two of Scotland’s key battleground constituencies are turning away from the SNP over its “dogged pursuit” of a second independence referendum, according to new research.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/general-election/lord-ashcroft-study-indyref2-putting-off-snp-supporters-in-2-seats-1-4458278

Scotland-wide opinion polling has put the SNP as much as nine points down on their performance two years ago, when the party won 50 per cent of the vote and 56 out of 59 MPs.

Yah_Boo_Sux

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

More intimidation from the Nats

There was a bit about this in the Telegraph not long ago too.

Several of the nastiest online bullies can be linked directly to the SNP

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11529177/The-bullying-behind-the-SNPs-smiles.html

paparossco

Postal ballot paper has arrived today. Does this mean the end is in sight? .... probably not.....

elantan

paparossco wrote: »

Postal ballot paper has arrived today. Does this mean the end is in sight? .... probably not.....

Well the end is in sight for the GE ... but not the independence question ... at east not for now

.string.

Yah_Boo_Sux wrote: »

Some more not-so-good news for the SNP.
http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/general-election/lord-ashcroft-study-indyref2-putting-off-snp-supporters-in-2-seats-1-4458278

Thanks, that was interesting. I found the following also on exactly the same subject. It gives some details and is worth reading.

!http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2017/05/still-keeps-banging-independence-election-focus-groups-scotland-two-weeks-go/

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

But I voted for independence for mainly political reasons ? The economic risks for me would come somewhere between the ultimate doom and gloom of BetterTogether 2014, and the SNP's 2013 White Paper. Some good, some bad. But politically I am 100% convinced that a Scottish Govt..and by that I mean of any party, and since PR elected usually minority which HAS to work with other parties.. is always best placed to run Scottish affairs.

" is always best placed to run Scottish affairs".

You, and others, state that often but although it has jingoistic appeal, it is not right, being too simplistic.

My Village Council is best placed to run village affairs.
Well, yes, if one is happy not to have the advantages of what the County Council brings and above that the Country, with its institutions, it's shared costs, its ability to help in emergencies, it's embassies and so on .

The advantages of being in a Union go beyond the parochial.

I normally use the word separation, not Independence, in these discussions to emphasise this point. Separation means the loss of those things which Scots rely upon as part of the UK, a part which is enhanced and respected and has a favoured place.


I know the response ... We are already a country and we will be joining a much bigger Union than the UK. But Scotland is not a country, there is no currency no embassies no armed forces no foreign policy, and a large chunk of its laws are not its own, but passed from the EU. . All of those things can and will be provided by the EU with Scotland, as a very, repeat very, small fish in a big pool will be obliged to accept as a member of the ever closer union called the EU.

It would be Goodbye Scotland, and Scots would curse the SNP which tricked them into adsorption.

.string.

elantan wrote: »

Well the end is in sight for the GE ... but not the independence question ... at east not for now

No of course not, the independence movement will continue for at least another 300 years, as long as there are a few fanatics in fact.

.string.

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

The 500,000 whose jobs are at risk, the fishermen as well as those who just support the union will continually disagree with you. They would probably say that the British Government is best placed to run British affairs. And therein lies the rub, you are at your core a nationalist pure and simple. Nothing anyone says on here will therefore be good enough for you no matter it's veracity.

Yes, and this was evident in "discussions" around the 2014 Referendum. Facts were ignored or countered by fake facts. The oil thing was the biggest of course where it was maintained as the vital, ever continuing, lode of treasure even when it was quite clear the price was tumbling. There were facts abounding but the fake stuff still kept coming from the SNP.

From that link I gave on Ashcroft's work is this damning comment on the SNP position at the time.

... And in Aberdeen in particular, the collapse in the oil price had led some to question the assumptions behind the independence argument. Though they did not blame the SNP government for the industry’s plight, it did make the idea of an independent Scotland seem somewhat more precarious: “The SNP was all about the oil. Should they not have been more informed than we were about things like that? Should they not have known that the oil was about to go on a downturn?”

So Discussion is futile?

Shaka_Zulu

SNP big donor transfers support to the Conservatives

ONE of the SNP’s big donors has switched his financial support to the Conservatives over Brexit and the economy, the Herald can reveal.

Businessman Bill Samuel, who has given the SNP £60,000 over the past decade and who publicly backed a Yes vote in 2014, has now handed £10,000 to the Tories.

Mr Samuel, 74, said he switched allegiance because he feared Nicola Sturgeon’s government did not understand the way the economy worked and he also wanted Brexit to go well.


That will be two in the last couple of days

Alex Salmond's favourite hotelier throws his weight behind TORIES in new blow for SNP

Stewart Spence, an SNP member and close friend of the former First Minister, last night revealed he is backing the Conservatives in a key battleground seat.

It comes just months after Mr Spence, the owner of the five-star Marcliffe Hotel in Aberdeen, led a revolt over business rate hikes of up to 400 per cent.

Finance Secretary Derek Mackay was forced to introduce a one year deal to cap the increases for the hospitality sector amid an outcry.

Not looking so rosy now.

sss555s

.string. wrote: »

No of course not, the independence movement will continue for at least another 300 years, as long as there are a few fanatics in fact.

Cameron said it was for the people of Scotland to decide then when they looked like they may lose the heavyweights came running up like love sick puppies chasing their loved one who isn't interested any more. They also presented project fear as it is human nature to stick with what you know.

I'd say more than half want independence but it's getting them to commit when Westminster play it's mind games and manipulation.

That is more than a few fanatics!

.string. wrote: »

Yes, and this was evident in "discussions" around the 2014 Referendum. Facts were ignored or countered by fake facts. The oil thing was the biggest of course where it was maintained as the vital, ever continuing, lode of treasure even when it was quite clear the price was tumbling. There were facts abounding but the fake stuff still kept coming from the SNP.

From that link I gave on Ashcroft's work is this damning comment on the SNP position at the time.

... And in Aberdeen in particular, the collapse in the oil price had led some to question the assumptions behind the independence argument. Though they did not blame the SNP government for the industry’s plight, it did make the idea of an independent Scotland seem somewhat more precarious: “The SNP was all about the oil. Should they not have been more informed than we were about things like that? Should they not have known that the oil was about to go on a downturn?”

So Discussion is futile?

The Oil thing was always the "cherry on top" from Salmond and Sturgeon, but some will like your illusion better.