The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

IveSeenTheLight

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

They are not economic policies, more like vote purchasing policies.

We should be able to see, tax levels, corporate and individual. Trade plans and strategies, diversification, media and technology policies, etc... for an independent Scotland - not now.

Semantics, they're still policies which are being adopted.

On tax issues, I recall Labour were also looking to reintroduce the 45p tax Income tax threshold that the SNP retained

IveSeenTheLight

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Labour "adopted" Jeremy Corbyn too; 'nuff said.

Excellent debate point.............

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

As for Conservatives adopting free prescriptions, this is another example of politicians listening to what the electorate want.
"Ruth Davidson said she recognised the popular support of the policy".

Popular support for a policy that the SNP were once again leading the way with and they criticised for a long long time.

It's great that they're coming around.

IveSeenTheLight

.string. wrote: »

I suppose it was an unfair question for ISTL, he won't have been briefed on how to actually discuss the currency.

LOL, I'm not briefed by anyone.
I've mentioned before in this thread I have no hang up on which currency is used.

Whether its the Euro, the "Groat", the Sheckle, Scottish Pound, or indeed a pegged currency

TrickyTree83

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Semantics, they're still policies which are being adopted.

On tax issues, I recall Labour were also looking to reintroduce the 45p tax Income tax threshold that the SNP retained

But it's the economic policies that you say lead you to believe (the key word) that Scotland is better off independent. There's no evidence to show that to be the case, no policies, no documents, those that have been produced such as the common weal white paper indicates that you wouldn't be better off, you would be worse off initially and then take time to climb back up to the standards you enjoy right now. An unknown amount of time but not quickly, and that tax rises and/or spending cuts would be required to achieve this. And that is also before dealing with the deficit (not the debt).

So where does this belief come from? Is it faith as I proposed or do you have some solid policy documents or white papers that describe in detail the plan for an independent Scotland?

We could wait for the Growth Commission of course, but they're basing their data on GERS, and everyone knows what that says.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Excellent debate point.............
Popular support for a policy that the SNP were once again leading the way with and they criticised for a long long time.
It's great that they're coming around.

" Excellent debate point............."
Which you ignored completely though!
As you ignored the relevant bit yet again here is another example to concentrate your thoughts:

First Minister Nicola Sturgeon putting SNP first and ignoring majority of Scots with second independence referendum say critics

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15153667.Sturgeon_putting_SNP_first_and_ignoring_majority_of_Scots__say_critics/

You say "It's great that they're coming around." - well when will Nicola "come round"?
When will she start listening to the majority of Scots?

IveSeenTheLight

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

You say "It's great that they're coming around." - well when will Nicola "come round?

When the question has been asked and the electorate get to reaffirm the position else show a changed opinion as a result of Brexit.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

When the question has been asked and the electorate get to reaffirm the position else show a changed opinion as a result of Brexit.

Well we can't rely upon the SNP listening to the electorate - or even asking the electorate can we?
Because they cannot be trusted.

Even their "National Survey" wasn't very national, was it?
And what was it even about, other than spending ill-afforded money?
According to YouGov it wasn't national;they asked the question: "Over the last three months the SNP have been carrying out a “National Conversation” survey on independence. Have you been approached to take part in the “National Conversation” survey? [on p.6 of the YouGov report]"
The answer was:

• Yes – 13%
• No – 82%
• Not sure – 6%.

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/ditypa75v5/TimesScotlandResults_161129_W.pdf


No wonder the SNP didn't publish any results, it was all a con.
Lies even, as Sturgeon said "she hoped the "national survey" would involve two million people across the country."as it ended.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-38155720

See if you can work out what 13% of the Scottish population is.
Even if moderately inaccurate, the SNP wildly exaggerated the number of participants.

So if the forthcoming or the recent council elections aren't proof enough for ISTL (well they wouldn't be! 32% in the council elections, that's why. ) it looks like he is akin to Sturgeon.
At the most polite,a denialist.

.string.

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

LOL, I'm not briefed by anyone.
I've mentioned before in this thread I have no hang up on which currency is used.

Whether its the Euro, the "Groat", the Sheckle, Scottish Pound, or indeed a pegged currency

Not a clue, not a single clue.

I see your point Jock.

Yah_Boo_Sux

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

It would appear that the SNP are having some funding problems from big donors.
Is this further evidence of support on the wane?
In the first fortnight following the launch of the SNP's campaign fund in mid March which was meant to raise £1 million in 100 days, 71 days in and just £480,000 has been raised. Will this trend continue?

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15304613.SNP_relying_on_public_funds_as_big_donors_dry_up/

Thank you for that. I had read that support was declining but to see that this decline applies to party support too is confirmation.
An interesting piece in The Spectator (a comment, not a report) explained a fair bit, as well as this thread & other sources which include my family, staunchly anti-SNP. I can understand why.

My hunch is that the SNP’s record in government is starting to catch up with it, that Ms Sturgeon will – like her predecessor – end up loved by nationalists by not so much by unionists and that the SNP senses that the clock is ticking.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/03/might-nicola-sturgeons-sinking-approval-ratings-explain-appetite-referendum/#

Enterprise_1701C

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

And waiting for options on currency too.
Still, we have been waiting for years so nothing new there.

The only answer I've seen on here is not the Euro, probably due to the Greek debacle. Only problem is they also want to join the eu, and since 2004 countries that have joined the eu have had to agree to join the Euro.