The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

We already have a Brexit minister; one who has a PM aiming to strengthen her position using the upcoming GE.

We don't need Sturgeon at the negotiating table. She isn't a negotiator and she isn't interested in 92% of the UK population.

If more Scottish voters choose Tory in these elections they will be doing so because they believe in the need to strengthen May's position. We shall easily see if they gain seats.

I don't think Brussels give two hoots for what majority May does or doesn't have. Why would they ? As for Sturgeon's latest announcement, it brings this GE campaign neatly in Scotland back onto what it's really about. Brexit and not an independence referendum. I can't really phrase my thoughts any better than this chap did elsewhere.

It's great to finally hear some sorely needed substance from the SNP's pretty uninspired GE17 campaign so far.

The Tories are trying to fight two different elections north and south of the border. This message forces the Tories to defend their UK-wide position up here in Scotland, while also positioning the SNP as the party of the 62% instead of the party of the 45%.

She's taking Theresa May's vacuous bull***t and throwing it back at her - with equal vacuousness I might add. After all, there's absolutely nothing stopping her from already seeking a position in the negotiations, given that she holds one of the higher offices in the country - and a GE victory is unlikely to change anything the UKGov's mind on Scottish participation in Brexit - just like how a thumping majority for Theresa is going to have no effect on Brussels.

By also claiming a victory as a mandate for her "compromise proposal" instead of indyref2, she's tactically kicking that can down the grass for later. When indyref2 is the immediate issue, the Tories get the high ground. When Brexit is the immediate issue, they lose it.

In fact, if I were her, I would use this opportunity to re-state the fact that guaranteed single market membership would take indyref2 off the table, pushing the ball back into the tory court.

Clever stuff. Along the same lines as in 2015 where the SNP allowed Jim Murphy acres and acres of media coverage for weeks to rant against the SNP and devolved issues without responding. Then blew him out of the water as completely irrelevant a few weeks from the vote once she appeared on the TV debates on a full UK platform and refocused Scottish voters back onto what the election was really all about ie who'd represent Scots voters at Westminster.

I suspect the same is about to happen to Davidson and her one policy once Sturgeon starts making it all about Brexit and the Single Market over the next few weeks. Davidson is going to be on the defensive constantly over it and Scotland's place in the Single market, rather than on the offensive over an indy ref.

islandannie

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

Admittedly I've not seen all of the PMQ's. but of the ones I did see, I found the SNP in Westminster were far more effective in holding the government to account than LAbour did.

So I disagree with you that there presence has not been constructive.

Really, the politics of recent years should support greater desire and need for proportional representation. Would you agree with that?

Incidentally, I am fully aware that proportional representation in Westminster would mean less seats for the SNP

Ms Sturgeon claimed the General Election was not about Scottish Independence[/QUOTE]

Nicola Sturgeon admits she will use SNP votes in general election to press for indy ref 2

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/27/nicola-sturgeon-admits-will-use-snp-votes-general-election-press/
Which is it then, how can the Scottish electorate believe a word she says?

kabayiri

islandannie wrote: »

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Which is it then, how can the Scottish electorate believe a word she says?

You can't. As May has said on several occasions recently, Sturgeon and her followers are separatists.

I can't accept Sturgeon in to Brexit negotiations because fundamentally she has no interest in the long term future of the rest of us.

It would be like me trusting my savings to a bunch of ex bank robbers.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

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I suspect the same is about to happen to Davidson and her one policy once Sturgeon starts making it all about Brexit and the Single Market over the next few weeks.
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Your record on predictions is not particularly impressive.

I remember your prediction of coalitions before the last GE.

Remind us how that worked out?

cogito

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I don't think Brussels give two hoots for what majority May does or doesn't have. Why would they ? As for Sturgeon's latest announcement, it brings this GE campaign neatly in Scotland back onto what it's really about. Brexit and not an independence referendum. I can't really phrase my thoughts any better than this chap did elsewhere.

Clever stuff. Along the same lines as in 2015 where the SNP allowed Jim Murphy acres and acres of media coverage for weeks to rant against the SNP and devolved issues without responding. Then blew him out of the water as completely irrelevant a few weeks from the vote once she appeared on the TV debates on a full UK platform and refocused Scottish voters back onto what the election was really all about ie who'd represent Scots voters at Westminster.

I suspect the same is about to happen to Davidson and her one policy once Sturgeon starts making it all about Brexit and the Single Market over the next few weeks. Davidson is going to be on the defensive constantly over it and Scotland's place in the Single market, rather than on the offensive over an indy ref.

There you go again. Rabid pro-SNP blogger presenting opinion as fact. Never stop, do you?

.string.

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

The initial reaction was maybe stating it was a chance to reinforce the mandate for independence, but have since "toned it down" and focus on what the election should be about which is the policies which the parties are

It's the Conservatives that are pushing Independence as the main agenda in Scotland.
They are using the fear factor again as opposed to promoting their policies;)

Well I have to say that whatever Sturgeon says I don't believe her, but in that first reaction of hers she blurted out her thinking at the time.

As has been said, the popular vote will indicate the relative numbers between the Nat voters and the Union voters. If you want to insist that it is about the importance/relevance of the EU in people's minds, then you will need to get ready for the lessons to be learnt from the total vote count for the parties.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

You can't. As May has said on several occasions recently, Sturgeon and her followers are separatists.

I can't accept Sturgeon in to Brexit negotiations because fundamentally she has no interest in the long term future of the rest of us.

It would be like me trusting my savings to a bunch of ex bank robbers.

She's not going to be in the Brexit negotiations. She could ask the EU for that now if she was so minded. She's shooting Davidson's/May's Scottish fox in the lead up to this General Election. Forcing the Tories to defend Brexit and taking Scotland out of the Single Market. This is a campaign tactic and a good one too.

If the SNP win most seats, she's going to claim it as a 100% mandate for the compromise solution she put forward at the beginning of the year. Not an independence ref. And Davidson is going to find herself on the back foot talking Brexit and not indy refs for the next few weeks. I think it's safe to say there are a lot of Scots really, really looking forward to seeing what Davidson comes up with. Especially since Dugdale, Rennie and Harvie will all more or less be on the same page as Sturgeon re Single Market membership.

This along with a few well placed billboards showing Ravenscraig being demolished ( my suggestion only ) should go down a treat with swithering Labour voters. Plus they've also been making noises over the last few days over the CFP.

First Minister:- SNP has long taken position that Common Fisheries Policy is not fit for purpose & should be scrapped or fundamentally reformed.

Which ties neatly into why the EFTA/EEA story in Scotland as an option going forward is starting to sprout wings rather than full EU membership as a transitional phase ( of undetermined length).

.string.

kabayiri wrote: »

You can't. As May has said on several occasions recently, Sturgeon and her followers are separatists.

I can't accept Sturgeon in to Brexit negotiations because fundamentally she has no interest in the long term future of the rest of us.

It would be like me trusting my savings to a bunch of ex bank robbers.

I haven't heard much from Sturgeon about Dorset.

Yes you are right, that is precisely the point, the SNP (nor Scottish Greens come to that) don't give a fig about the UK, while the views of the posters, for example, in this very thread show that those in the rest of the UK care a lot about Scotland.

Having representatives of the devolved administrations on the team (government and opposition perhaps) is maybe nice and inclusive but the trouble is that the SNP cannot be trusted to be genuine team members.

Shakethedisease

cogito wrote: »

There you go again. Rabid pro-SNP blogger presenting opinion as fact. Never stop, do you?

Is there an actual point to your posts other than harrassing a single poster here with inane venomous commentary on every post they write ? Nasty stuff. Gads.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

Your record on predictions is not particularly impressive.

I remember your prediction of coalitions before the last GE.

Remind us how that worked out?

Just goes to show one should never rely on polls eh. I'll remember that the next time there's gleeful posters crapping on about all those dozens of seats the Tories are going to get in Scotland. And while I'd love to claim that a prediction of a hung parliament in 2015 was mine and mine alone. You and I both know it wasn't and it was accepted as the most likely outcome in every single, poll, media prediction and newstation in the UK.

I do predict that Davidson is going to be well on the back foot over the next few weeks in Scottish TV debates etc. Explaining her 180 degree u-turns on Brexit and defending Tory policy like rape clauses. It's going to be a total joy to watch.