Renting part furnished

PasturesNew

Not being rude, but can I just check something .....

Are you English/from England? (or Scottish/from Scotland; Irish/from Ireland).

You seem to be old enough to have acquired a good oven, but not overly experienced at the annoying UK rental system.

I was wondering, therefore, if you're something other than English/British/whatever. e.g. American, Canadian, Australian, NZ ...etc etc.

Guest101

audigex wrote: »

Not quite. While that's true to some extent (not "The tenant can do whatever they like"), it's a little different when talking about **installed** items, as opposed to furniture. - Incorrect. The tenant can do WHATEVER they like. The obvious ramifications being they may get evicted if the LL doesn't like it. The Tenant can repaint the property, can remove contents (including installed). The LL can evict. The LL can also sue for any loss if the tenant fails to return the property as it was.

You are entitled to move things around or store them safely etc as you mention - I didn't mentions storage. Throw it away if you want. Just pay for a replacement (2nd hand the age the appliances would be at the time) - but not to start touching electricals or installed items. - Can you cite the law? There's a pretty significant difference there between moving a few cushions into the cupboard, and changing the wiring of the house. - Sure, I agree, big difference. But what kind of tenant rewires a house?!

It's not up to you to decide if you're competent enough to perform electrical work (no matter how basic) on somebody else's property.

Its a good thing the property isn't somebody else's then, as the tenant owns a valid lease

audigex

Let me be more clear: anybody can do anything they want at any time, but there are ramifications. You're just being pedantic: clearly modifying wiring is unacceptable behaviour. I meant "You can't just do what you want without breaching the contract or behaving unacceptably/unreasonably"

The law about touching electricals would come down to the fact this isn't your property. You have permission to live in the property, but that doesn't make it yours. If I rent a car, can I start changing the turbocharger because I fancy a different one? Clearly not.

What kind of tenant re-wires a house? Exactly... this one. Not all of it, sure, but they still modified the wiring.

And the property is still somebody else's, they are just leasing it. That's a big difference. If you want to change the wiring, buy your own house.

Guest101

audigex wrote: »

Let me be more clear: anybody can do anything they want at any time, but there are ramifications. You're just being pedantic: clearly modifying wiring is unacceptable behaviour. I meant "You can't just do what you want without breaching the contract or behaving unacceptably/unreasonably" - No not pedantic. Correct. The LL COULD evict, but might decide not to. The LL could sue, but the tenant might return the property in a satisfactory condition. It may be unacceptable in your opinion, but if the tenant is an electrician, it might be an improvement.

The law about touching electricals would come down to the fact this isn't your property. - But it is the tenants property. The tenant rents the wiring, just as much as the walls and the roof. You have permission - No, the tenant buys a lease. to live in the property, but that doesn't make it yours. - Yes it does. If I rent a car, can I start changing the turbocharger because I fancy a different one? Clearly not. - Depends, does your insurance (mandatory, rather than voluntary) allow it? If you return it as it was, there's no ramifications.

What kind of tenant re-wires a house? Exactly... this one. Not all of it, sure, but they still modified the wiring. - Rewiring a house, and changing an appliance are entirely different.

And the property is still somebody else's, they are just leasing it. - The property is the tenants, and the LLs, maybe even another LLs too. Layers of ownership. That's a big difference. If you want to change the wiring, buy your own house.

You're wrong. And it's for many reasons. Sorry

Dan-Dan

To answer the OP`s question , yes , you have acted unreasonably and i would be !!!!ed off if i was your Landlord

Thats not to say you cant do what you want whilst there of course as per Guest 101`s advice but i reckon you have your card marked now

HappyMJ

audigex wrote: »

Let me be more clear: anybody can do anything they want at any time, but there are ramifications. You're just being pedantic: clearly modifying wiring is unacceptable behaviour. I meant "You can't just do what you want without breaching the contract or behaving unacceptably/unreasonably"

The law about touching electricals would come down to the fact this isn't your property. You have permission to live in the property, but that doesn't make it yours. If I rent a car, can I start changing the turbocharger because I fancy a different one? Clearly not.

What kind of tenant re-wires a house? Exactly... this one. Not all of it, sure, but they still modified the wiring.

And the property is still somebody else's, they are just leasing it. That's a big difference. If you want to change the wiring, buy your own house.

Plugging in a cooker by a competent person is acceptable and is tenant-like.

Tenants own the tenancy for the period of time that are in the property they can do anything they want to the property including plugging in cookers....it's not the same as renting a car for a week which would be comparable to a holiday letting for a week.

I would compare it to someone leasing a car. The person who has the car can though carry out maintenance work including changing the turbo-charger. It's not their car...it's owned by the finance company. They're paying lease payments for it but they can change anything they like on the car as long as they return it to the dealer in the same condition as when they purchased the car less fair wear and tear.

Dan-Dan

HappyMJ wrote: »

Plugging in a cooker by a competent person is acceptable and is tenant-like.

Tenants own the tenancy for the period of time that are in the property they can do anything they want to the property including plugging in cookers....it's not the same as renting a car for a week which would be comparable to a holiday letting for a week.

I would compare it to someone leasing a car. The person who has the car can though carry out maintenance work including changing the turbo-charger. It's not their car...it's owned by the finance company. They're paying lease payments for it but they can change anything they like on the car as long as they return it to the dealer in the same condition as when they purchased the car less fair wear and tear.

Plugging something in is vastly different to wiring something in..

Especially if you cant see the work thats been done and are hearing it from afar as OP`s LL seems to have

HappyMJ

Dan-Dan wrote: »

Plugging something in is vastly different to wiring something in..

Especially if you cant see the work thats been done and are hearing it from afar as OP`s LL seems to have

Wiring something in on a like for like replacement into a terminal outlet box is so easy anyone who is competent could do it. The blue wire goes here and the brown wire goes here and the green/yellow wire goes here. Screw it together job done.

Anyway, they aren't worried about this now. Yes they told him off for not notifying the letting agent/landlord before doing the work. They've moved on from that now.

Dan-Dan

HappyMJ wrote: »

Wiring something in on a like for like replacement into a terminal outlet box is so easy anyone who is competent could do it. The blue wire goes here and the brown wire goes here and the green/yellow wire goes here. Screw it together job done.

OP asked if it would annoy a standard normal person , if i were a landlord , yes , it would annoy me , because i know how to do it , but i`d rather my tenants didnt because i dont trust people i didnt pay if i didnt do it myself

Guest101

Dan-Dan wrote: »

OP asked if it would annoy a standard normal person , if i were a landlord , yes , it would annoy me , because i know how to do it , but i`d rather my tenants didnt because i dont trust people i didnt pay if i didnt do it myself

But that might annoy your insurer... Where would it stop?


Also just an aside (underlined and bolded above) so you are as qualified as the OP? And would be happy to do it yourself?