Renting part furnished

Nickshrews

There is a new oven in the property we have just moved into (renting through estate agents), but we have our own oven, which is better. On the day we signed our Tenancy agreement, I said that we would be putting our own oven in, and I was happy to deliver the existing (new oven) to the landlady. Nothing more than "Ok" was said.

We called the estate agents to let them know we had put our old over in, and that the new existing oven was in our outhouse, would the landlady like to collect or should I take it to her. We were "told off" firstly for fitting it ourselves (I am competent in installing electrical ovens) and secondly for not getting permission. - Even though I told them on the day of signing and wasn't told I need permission. They called the Landlady and called us back to inform us the Landlady was very annoyed, that we must store the Oven on a pallet (which we don't have) and keep it covered. If it gets rusty we must replace it and get a professional to install it.

We need that storage space in the outhouse. I assumed the landlady would want it back, rather than us using it for "x" amount of years.

My question is .... Do I have to keep items in the property if I don't want them? am I being unreasonable?

Thank you for taking the time to read my post.

MrJB

You don't have to keep items in your property if you don't want to... just you will have to pay at the end of the tenancy if they're not there.

I would have put it in writing that I wanted to install my own oven and got something in writing back. Many agents will say anything when you're about to sign up!

theartfullodger

Is it listed on the inventory (that presumably you signed..) and are there photos??

Having said that you agree you took it out "new oven!!" & it is landlord's: So no dispute about facts.

You can get rid of all items you found in the property (take sofa & all carpets down the dump.. yeah, go forr it..) : But don't be surprised if reported for theft, or that the landlord will (reasonably) expect all items returned, as-was, less "fair wear 'n tear", at the end of the tenancy:

How you store & protect (or don't..) the old oven is your affair: Compensating landlord for any unfair damage or loss is your responsibility.

Decorated any rooms yet?? And nails in walls or blu-tak up yet??

Any electrical work done should have been done by a qualified electrician & evidence thereof provided (normally at least an invoice for the work at least): You may well know what you are doing but, if there is a problem (eg fire from over wiring, place burns down..) you are, currently, the one who will pay the re-building costs and any other compensation. What electrical qualifications do you have??

Cheers!

G_M

You can do anything you want with the oven - for now.

However at the end of the tenancy, you must return the property, including the oven, in the same condition as it was at the start. So if you leave it in the outhouse and it gets rusty (which it will) you will be charged.

The landlady is under no obligation to remove it. Personally, as a LL, I would - but that's me, not her.

swingaloo

You removing the oven without getting permission and having a professional fit it may just impact the landladys insurance.

Look at it this way, the landlady has put in a new oven ready to let the property. You come along and not only remove it but expect the landlady to let you deliver it to her to store.
Yes, I would say you are being unreasonable.

caronoel

swingaloo wrote: »

You removing the oven without getting permission and having a professional fit it may just impact the landladys insurance.

my own thoughts exactly.

Another reckless inconsiderate tenant wondering why the LL is being 'unreasonable'

Nickshrews

Thank you all for your posts. Just want to clarify a few points. Nowhere in our tenancy agreement does it state that we cannot remove the over, nor does it state that we must get a qualified electrician to install it. I am not qualified, but I am not installing new wiring, merely plumbing existing wiring in - I have done this many times and am competent. Additionally when we told the letting agents verbally that we would be putting in our oven, we were led to believe that this would be fine, and were certainly not instructed not to do so. Or at any point told it needed to be professionally installed.

In our tenancy agreement it says no BluTack or screws in the wall - so we haven't put a single thing up. We did get clarification from the LL who said it was fine to do so, so long as when we leave the holes are filled and the wall painted (which is no problem)

At no point did I intend to annoy my LL and was actually only trying to be helpful. - believing that it would be no problem to install my own oven.

Nickshrews

I am not wondering why the Landlady was being unreasonable. Infact I don't believe she is being. I was asking if I was being unreasonable. I am more annoyed at the letting agents for not speaking up when the issue was raised. - Noting in tenancy agreement about the oven or getting anything professionally installed. If i was the landlord, I would probably want the oven back, as surely that's better than it suffering from general use wear and tear over the years (if it remains in the kitchen). or better than it sitting unused in an outhouse.

Nickshrews

swingaloo wrote: »

You removing the oven without getting permission and having a professional fit it may just impact the landladys insurance.

Look at it this way, the landlady has put in a new oven ready to let the property. You come along and not only remove it but expect the landlady to let you deliver it to her to store.
Yes, I would say you are being unreasonable.

Thank you. I don't expect her to let me deliver it to her to store, Just giving the option if she wanted it.

Nickshrews

caronoel wrote: »

my own thoughts exactly.

Another reckless inconsiderate tenant wondering why the LL is being 'unreasonable'

I am not wondering why the Landlady was being unreasonable. Infact I don't believe she is being. I was asking if I was being unreasonable. I am more annoyed at the letting agents for not speaking up when the issue was raised. - Noting in tenancy agreement about the oven or getting anything professionally installed. If i was the landlord, I would probably want the oven back, as surely that's better than it suffering from general use wear and tear over the years (if it remains in the kitchen). or better than it sitting unused in an outhouse.

HappyMJ

You should be able to acquire a pallet from a shop to store the oven on. You could also make one yourself.