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CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

Enough to know that there were no borders and so there was theoretically complete freedom of movement. (As far as you walk)

You said "I do not support the free movement of all the people of the world" as if it were a modern construct of the EU.

there was slavery 2000 years ago
it is unreasonable to assume slaves had freedom of movement
many people were tied to the land and their lord and had no freedom to move

the roman empire didn't freely allow the free movement of barbarian tribes
fertile land was owned and farmed and fiercely defended.
grazing land similarly

although it is likely that large groups of heavily armed people had de facto free movement in some circumstance.
I guess one could say the Vikings enjoyed some freedom of movement.

there were kingdoms that taxed people, traders were taxed and regulated, warlords that would treat random unknown people as spies and kill them.

there were walled cities heavily defended

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

That was the case 65 years ago too in a much more white London.
London housing stock has always been quite small and not all that decent.

If anything homes are now bigger and better and people live in them at a lower density than 65 years ago and ownership is higher too


So care to retract your statement?

you may long for the world of 65 years ago: I do not.

I am concerned about the situation today and how the excess demand for housing in London makes it difficult for the unders 40s to have a decent family sized house.

There is no overall benefit to the UK to have unlimited population growth: we should start now with firm immigration controls and improve the quality of life for the peoples of the UK.

setmefree2

CLAPTON wrote: »

no I don't thank all the foreigners who make it impossible for the under 40s to live in a decent sized house in London/SE.

Clapton do you live in London?

setmefree2

CLAPTON wrote: »

you may long for the world of 65 years ago: I do not.

I am concerned about the situation today and how the excess demand for housing in London makes it difficult for the unders 40s to have a decent family sized house.

There is no overall benefit to the UK to have unlimited population growth: we should start now with firm immigration controls and improve the quality of life for the peoples of the UK.

Why do you care? You don't live here??

cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

you may long for the world of 65 years ago: I do not.

I am concerned about the situation today and how the excess demand for housing in London makes it difficult for the unders 40s to have a decent family sized house.

There is no overall benefit to the UK to have unlimited population growth: we should start now with firm immigration controls and improve the quality of life for the peoples of the UK.

you made the argument that because of the immigrants the locals in London can no longer afford to buy big homes

However that is a silly argument because the opposite is true.

Homes in London are bigger and better quality than they were 60 years ago. People live in them less dense and ownership is higher too.

Also a secondary factor is that immigration has pushed up London house prices enabling the old londers to sell up a tiny 1 bed flat and buy a 4 bed detached in stoke with the proceeds

immigrants have been mostly good for Londoners wealth

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

you made the argument that because of the immigrants the locals in London can no longer afford to buy big homes

However that is a silly argument because the opposite is true.

Homes in London are bigger and better quality than they were 60 years ago. People live in them less dense and ownership is higher too.

Also a secondary factor is that immigration has pushed up London house prices enabling the old londers to sell up a tiny 1 bed flat and buy a 4 bed detached in stoke with the proceeds

immigrants have been mostly good for Londoners wealth

I don't doubt that high houses price are good for older people who already own houses; just as I don't doubt that high immigration is good for businesses who what to pay low wages.

High immigration does not however, increase the welfare of the ordinary younger people.

setmefree2

CLAPTON wrote: »

I don't doubt that high houses price are good for older people who already own houses; just as I don't doubt that high immigration is good for businesses who what to pay low wages.

High immigration does not however, increase the welfare of the ordinary younger people.

So you want us to leave the EU just so your kids can get a cheap house?

Filo25

CLAPTON wrote: »

I don't doubt that high houses price are good for older people who already own houses; just as I don't doubt that high immigration is good for businesses who what to pay low wages.

High immigration does not however, increase the welfare of the ordinary younger people.

You don't think that maybe depressing house prices in London significantly, might have a negative impact on the broader economy there?

cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

I don't doubt that high houses price are good for older people who already own houses; just as I don't doubt that high immigration is good for businesses who what to pay low wages.

High immigration does not however, increase the welfare of the ordinary younger people.

you keep going on about how negatively the young of London have been impacted by immigration pushing up house prices but the young of London ARE immigrants

So your wish is an odd one its like saying. I wish there were no immigrants so that the immigrants in London could have cheaper housing....


also I feel your premise that ownership rates are lower due to higher prices is not a given. Prices in the north and midlands are a lot cheaper yet ownership there has fallen too. Its likely more to do with rules and regs not immigrantss and prices

cells

Filo25 wrote: »

You don't think that maybe depressing house prices in London significantly, might have a negative impact on the broader economy there?

I doubt he even seriously believes his argument of 'immigration needs to reverse so kids can buy big houses in London that are now too expensive'

If nothing else he should revise his views and posting to note he feels immigration is no issue in the north and midlands because houses there are already cheap