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London will indeed cope
maybe a small insignificant waver then
-higher wages with the wall of immigration halted
-increased productivity as it will now pay be invest in innovation
-young Londoners will have a lower housing costs
-young Londoner will be better able to live in a family sized property
-reduction in taxes due to lower contributions to the EU (and to the Scots if they become turkeys voting for xmas)
-increased engagement with the rest of the world rather than the declining white christian european world
quality of life for the people of the UK to increase as well as per capita GDP (for the people who worship that god)0 -
London will indeed cope
maybe a small insignificant waver then
-higher wages with the wall of immigration halted
-increased productivity as it will now pay be invest in innovation
-young Londoners will have a lower housing costs
-young Londoner will be better able to live in a family sized property
-reduction in taxes due to lower contributions to the EU (and to the Scots if they become turkeys voting for xmas)
-increased engagement with the rest of the world rather than the declining white christian european world
quality of life for the people of the UK to increase as well as per capita GDP (for the people who worship that god)
even if all that happened free movement of people will be back at some point once the old are dead and the young accept that telling their long lost cousins that they cant move into the town next door is silly
2200 or before that date for full free movement of humanity
question will be does England become one of the worlds mega countries with yes a big population and lots of wealth due to embracing free movement sooner or do we become...stoke-on-trent?0 -
even if all that happened free movement of people will be back at some point once the old are dead and the young accept that telling their long lost cousins that they cant move into the town next door is silly
2200 or before that date for full free movement of humanity
question will be does England become one of the worlds mega countries with yes a big population and lots of wealth due to embracing free movement sooner or do we become...stoke-on-trent?
Today, free movement of people would lead to world wide wars with hundreds or maybe thousands of millions dead.
once we have world peace for 50 years, the abolition of religion, abolition of poverty, the withering away of the state, free energy then free movement of the few people left might be a reality.
Why you want the UK to become an overcrowded island with no quality of life, is presumably due to some deep seated dislike of the UK.0 -
Today, free movement of people would lead to world wide wars with hundreds or maybe thousands of millions dead.
once we have world peace for 50 years, the abolition of religion, abolition of poverty, the withering away of the state, free energy then free movement of the few people left might be a reality.
Why you want the UK to become an overcrowded island with no quality of life, is presumably due to some deep seated dislike of the UK.
well yes over the next hundred years the world will get a lot richer wars will decline religion will decline and energy in real terms will be cheaper too and I think English will become the worlds primary language. At that stage as you suggest maybe not a lot of people would want to move however even small flows of people will have dramatic impacts on some places (like London). Even now plenty of people from rich countries move to other countries think of all the Americans or Germans or French in the UK or the brits in those countries.
I dont think a dense city is a bad city.
But importantly a rich dense growing city always gives you an opt out and pays you handsomely for it. Thank the foreigner who is willing to pay you £2m for your terrace house and go live in the countryside somewhere
While if we vote out and say our population instead of growing to 100 million contracts to 50 million then we will be poorer as a nation and London will contract to an insignificant city and all those Londoners who want to move to the countryside can no longer get £2 million for their terrace and would have to settle for two shillings0 -
well yes over the next hundred years the world will get a lot richer wars will decline religion will decline and energy in real terms will be cheaper too and I think English will become the worlds primary language. At that stage as you suggest maybe not a lot of people would want to move however even small flows of people will have dramatic impacts on some places (like London). Even now plenty of people from rich countries move to other countries think of all the Americans or Germans or French in the UK or the brits in those countries.
I dont think a dense city is a bad city.
But importantly a rich dense growing city always gives you an opt out and pays you handsomely for it. Thank the foreigner who is willing to pay you £2m for your terrace house and go live in the countryside somewhere
While if we vote out and say our population instead of growing to 100 million contracts to 50 million then we will be poorer as a nation and London will contract to an insignificant city and all those Londoners who want to move to the countryside can no longer get £2 million for their terrace and would have to settle for two shillings
no I don't thank all the foreigners who make it impossible for the under 40s to live in a decent sized house in London/SE.0 -
Sorry, I assume this is intended to be a joke but I don't understand it
It was tongue in cheek, yes. I was just pointing out that you criticise others for lack of knowledge about history and oppose freedom of movement. 2000 years ago most of the planet had no concept of a national border (eg Africa)Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
It was tongue in cheek, yes. I was just pointing out that you criticise others for lack of knowledge about history and oppose freedom of movement. 2000 years ago most of the planet had no concept of a national border (eg Africa)
do you actually know anything at all about the society of 2000 years ago?
-no kingdoms?
-no warlords?
-no taxation?
-no empires0 -
do you actually know anything at all about the society of 2000 years ago?
-no kingdoms?
-no warlords?
-no taxation?
-no empires
Enough to know that there were no borders and so there was theoretically complete freedom of movement. (As far as you walk)
You said "I do not support the free movement of all the people of the world" as if it were a modern construct of the EU.Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of forming such opinions.0 -
no I don't thank all the foreigners who make it impossible for the under 40s to live in a decent sized house in London/SE.
That was the case 65 years ago too in a much more white London.
London housing stock has always been quite small and not all that decent.
If anything homes are now bigger and better and people live in them at a lower density than 65 years ago and ownership is higher too
So care to retract your statement?0
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