Police stopped me.

Conor_3

derrick wrote: »

I have seen lorries regularly traveling at 10 feet or less behind each other in convoy, 2,3, 4 at a time with no intention of overtaking.

No you haven't. That's 2/3 the length of a car and that close, you'd not be able to see the lights of the vehicle in front. If I'm lying, you'll feel quite happy to post a video showing them doing that at motorway speeds won't you?

derrick wrote: »

It is bad driving and illegal to pull out on an overtaking vehicle, so what if you are closing the gap, you need to look in your mirror to make sure it is safe to make the manoeuvre before making it! Mirror Signal Manoeuvre, or weren't you taught that one?

And as has been widely advertised, many doing this are left hand drive lorries with the car in the blind spot...


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derrick wrote: »

Professional drivers! don't make me laugh.

Government accident statistics disagree with you. Insurance companies disagree with you.

derrick

Conor wrote: »

No you haven't. That's 2/3 the length of a car and that close, you'd not be able to see the lights of the vehicle in front. If I'm lying, you'll feel quite happy to post a video showing them doing that at motorway speeds won't you?

Obviously I cannot supply a video,( I don't even possess a video camera or a video phone), but I can assure you that I have seen it and you are incorrect again, they would be able to see the lights of the vehicle in front, they drive sitting within a couple of feet of the windscreen, but they would not be able to see anything in front of the HGV in front, I have heard it said that the reason they do this is to take advantage of the slip stream of the lead vehicle, now if that is the reason it beggars belief that these drivers are supposed to be professional! no stopping distance there then! that is why I say "professional drivers? don't make me laugh"

Conor wrote: »

And as has been widely advertised, many doing this are left hand drive lorries with the car in the blind spot...

That maybe true to a point, but I have seen right hand drive lorries doing it as well, so don't put all the blame on the foreigners!

Conor wrote: »

Government accident statistics disagree with you. Insurance companies disagree with you.

Statistics can be manipulated to suit whoever is compiling them, and even if true, as I have said before there will be a lot of accidents avoided because of the evasive action taken by car drivers due to the crass driving of "professionals"

I have no reason whatsoever to lie about the points I have mentioned that I see on a daily basis.

Conor_3

derrick wrote: »

but I can assure you that I have seen it and you are incorrect again, they would be able to see the lights of the vehicle in front, they drive sitting within a couple of feet of the windscreen,

Do you drive a lorry? No. So how would you know? I do drive one, therefore I know. In the lorry I drive, the BOTTOM of the windscreen is so high off the floor that a 6ft high person could walk right in front of the cab and I'd not see them. That's why many lorries now have a fourth mirror fitted at the front of the cab to cover the area directly in front of the vehicle.

And judging by your claims of what we can and can't see from your vast experience of driving lorries, you obviously did poorly in geometry at school...

And it's got nothing to do with slipstreaming the vehicle in front at all. It's funny how the only time I ever hear this claim is from car drivers telling me they've been told this. I've yet to hear a single lorry driver tell me and I reckon I've spoken to more of them over the last 15 years than you have.

derrick

Conor wrote: »

Do you drive a lorry? No. So how would you know? I do drive one, therefore I know. In the lorry I drive, the BOTTOM of the windscreen is so high off the floor that a 6ft high person could walk right in front of the cab and I'd not see them. That's why many lorries now have a fourth mirror fitted at the front of the cab to cover the area directly in front of the vehicle.

And judging by your claims of what we can and can't see from your vast experience of driving lorries, you obviously did poorly in geometry at school...

No I don't drive a lorry,( would probably not pass due to the fact that I would obey the law), but in your example if the person passed right in front of the lorry I might agree with you, but 10 foot back they would see the lights, however if we accept your term on the point, that makes it even worse, as they will have no indication whatsoever if the lorry in front has to stop, for whatever reason let alone an emergency's stop.


And judging by your comments on here you did very bad when taking your HGV test, and probably had a incompetent examiner.

NovaBlack_2

conor seriously.. this is beyond a joke.. do you just troll forums TRYING to argue with people.


im sorry but you have come across as VERY arrogant. Somebody says they have seen lorries driving in convoy with less than 10ft between them... you say 'NO YOU HAVENT'...

you then tell some1 that they wouldnt know what you do in a lorry because your the one sitting there and they cant see that . ok is that not COMPLETE hipocracy?? you can tell other people what they have/have not seen, but nobody can tell you? so which is it conor? it has to be one or the other you cant argue both points. Either somebody IS entitled to say what they have seen, or they arent. not 'its ok when i say it, but not when anyone else does'.

and YES I HAVE seen lorries driving with 10ft between them on motorways (although i have seen cars do this too). i actually remember saying ' Im amazed if that driver can even see the road infront of him he's so close' on MULTIPLE OCCASIONS. please DONT TELL ME I HALLUCINATED THIS!

im sick of your holier than thou attitude (see all my earlier posts). you just sit here and tell everyone they are wrong, take any valid points they make and change the facts to suit you.

Debating is fine, but when you just change the facts to try and make people look bad thats not debating. Its arrogant, rude, and in no way friendly. please respect that other people have opinions too.

I fully accept your point that its NOT just lorry drivers that are bad on motorways. Ive seen cars pull out without indicating with a VERY small gap. Im not going to argue your point you are fully correct! car drivers DO DRIVE DANGEROUSLY TOO!.

however, i HAVE seen LORRIES do this on multiple occasions and (IN MY EXPERIENCE.. NOT TO BE TAKEN AS AVERAGE) in my experience lorry drivers do seem to drive more dangerously than cars.

and the other thing i MUST point out is your constant 'well if you drive properly you would just do X ' comments.

In your world there is NEVER an occasion (judging by all my earlier posts) when another driver can commit a fault that puts you in danger. im sorry there IS.

your whole comment of 'SORRY ENGAGE YOUR BRAIN AND DRIVE ACCORDINGLY' regarding peope pulling out is only relevant in SOME cases. you cant always see some1 is going to pull out.. im sorry thats a fact. any indication that that is not true means you arent human.

yes.. you CAN look for patterns in driving e.g. pulling close to the car in front indicates (usually) a desire to eventually pull out and overtake. this example you gave is a GOOD rule of thumb! (full credit im not going to bash points that you make that are good).

however, there ARE times when people dont always pull up to the car in front, dont indicate, and simply pull out erratically (sometimes across 2 lanes, or undertaking) . And there was nothing you could do to forsee this. i mean you have to be alert on motorways FACT. but sometimes there is NO indication they will pull out, and sometimes they will do so with little or no room resulting in a dangerous experience.

tomstickland

The correct procedure is to signal and then wait for an opportunity, without causing traffic to have to brake sharply.

A lot of car drivers do bring trouble upon themselves though. When overtaking a vehicle using the middle lane, if that vehicle is behind another one then there is a chance that it will want to pull out. The outside lane should be checked in anticipation. Meanwhile those in the outside lane should be considering the possibility that lorry will pull out of LH lane, displacing vehicles in middle lane to outside lane.

This requires THINKING, something that many seem to deem too much effort when driving.

As an example, I once came down a sliproad in a car and there was a lorry in the LH lane and a car about 1/2 a mile back in the middle lane. I pulled onto motorway and continued to indicate. It should have been obvious that due to my speed relative to the lorry that I would pull round it. Meanwhile the car behind could pull out into outside lane once they caught up with me.
No, no, no, far too complicated. Instead they just carried on up behind me and then flashed me.

Conor_3

derrick wrote: »

How was that down to you? the price of oil fell, that is why we are not paying £1.50 a litre, and oil is now over what it was then,( $80 a barrel yesterday ), and we are still not paying £1.50!

Because most of the cost of fuel is tax. That tax was on an escalator formula until the fuel strikes occurred.

Or have you not noticed how the price of fuel doesn't increase much, if at all, come budget time?

Conor_3

NovaBlack wrote: »

in my experience lorry drivers do seem to drive more dangerously than cars.

Really? The Governments figures disagree with you. The Police disagree with you.

Unless you can go show me some figures for KSIs that prove otherwise....

Conor_3

I give up. You lot just carry on in your ignorance.

Just remember 2011. It's the crisis point where majority of the current HGV drivers in this country will have retired and as the number of those leaving is outstripping those coming in by 10 to 1 and rising, with many of that "1" being non-commercial HGV licence holders such as Armed Forces. Fire Brigade and horse box owners, there's going to be some real problems.

I take it some of you are awake enough to have noticed the "Become a HGV Driver" stories in the mainstream press and primetime TV shown recently? There's a reason it's being done....

Steve_xx

Conor wrote: »

I give up.....

Goody goody gumdrops.