Looking for new console: PS4 or XBox One

custardy

donnajunkie wrote: »

Consider the price of the console the fairly small amount you would save from installing a hd yourself and the chance that despite it being fairly simple you could still screw up your console.
Personally I wouldn't. I would just go with the console with the biggest hd if I were to get one.

What if you didnt have the £30.
Would you just not buy one?
I have an Xbox One with a 500GB HD. Should I have not bought unitl the 1TBs were available?
Screw up the console? Short of ripping it from its mountings,worst you end up doing is putting the old HD back in.

donnajunkie

custardy wrote: »

What if you didnt have the £30.
Would you just not buy one?
I have an Xbox One with a 500GB HD. Should I have not bought unitl the 1TBs were available?
Screw up the console? Short of ripping it from its mountings,worst you end up doing is putting the old HD back in.

If you only have £300 and nothing else it's not wise to buy a console. So no I wouldn't buy the console in that scenario. A slip with the screw driver, not slotting it in quite as it should be. It is possible. I am sure people who have done it are thinking what I am saying is silly and are probably right but they are going from having the experience of having done it.

Johnmcl7

donnajunkie wrote: »

If you only have £300 and nothing else it's not wise to buy a console. So no I wouldn't buy the console in that scenario. A slip with the screw driver, not slotting it in quite as it should be. It is possible. I am sure people who have done it are thinking what I am saying is silly and are probably right but they are going from having the experience of having done it.

Do you seriously think Sony would allow and support people upgrading their hard drives if it was as error prone as you make it out to be? They've been allowing users to fit their own hard drives since the PS2 so it's clearly working fine and I know plenty of non-IT people who've never seen a hard drive before who have upgraded their consoles without even asking me for advice as they normally do for IT issues as it's that simple.

Why you keep posting about this when you clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about, I really don't know. You can slip with the screw screwdriver as much as you want, the caddy isn't fragile, the caddy guides the drive in and the sata connector is robust so nothing you've mentioned is an issue.

John

bluenoseam

donnajunkie wrote: »

If you only have £300 and nothing else it's not wise to buy a console. So no I wouldn't buy the console in that scenario. A slip with the screw driver, not slotting it in quite as it should be. It is possible. I am sure people who have done it are thinking what I am saying is silly and are probably right but they are going from having the experience of having done it.

Nah from where I'm sitting it's someone with a fairly sizeable fear of mucking it up when the reality is that it's only a single screw you need to actually do anything with. With all due respects the only way Sony could have made it any easier would be to follow Microsoft's example & allow external drives to be used. Do I think it's "silly" to fear it, well, I'd be lying if I said no, I just think that it's been blown out of all proportion for what the job actually entails. (And unfortunately all stems from me suggesting logically that it's not always the best long term economical solution to buy the bigger hard drive machine!)

Incidentally, I to an extent agree that if you ONLY have the purchase price of the console, don't buy the machine. I always looked at people doing that and wondered what the logic was, especially when they walked out of my shop buying JUST the machine. Always seemed like they were buying a car & refusing to put fuel in it, especially when it often worked out cheaper to take bundles.

custardy

donnajunkie wrote: »

If you only have £300 and nothing else it's not wise to buy a console. So no I wouldn't buy the console in that scenario. A slip with the screw driver, not slotting it in quite as it should be. It is possible. I am sure people who have done it are thinking what I am saying is silly and are probably right but they are going from having the experience of having done it.

No DJ. In the real world you dont spend your last penny on a console.
You have a budget from the money you have available.
I am not surprised in the least that the doing it yourself option is too much effort for you.

donnajunkie

custardy wrote: »

No DJ. In the real world you dont spend your last penny on a console.
You have a budget from the money you have available.
I am not surprised in the least that the doing it yourself option is too much effort for you.

People seem unable to understand that some people are worried about messing this kind of thing up and play safe. Especially when the financial benefit seems minimal.
Indeed you have a budget and you don't buy until you have enough to get what you need and not leave yourself penniless.
And to the person who said I don't have a clue. Yes you are right that is exactly why I prefer not to take the chance no matter how small. And I won't be the only one.

Johnmcl7

donnajunkie wrote: »

People seem unable to understand that some people are worried about messing this kind of thing up and play safe. Especially when the financial benefit seems minimal.
Indeed you have a budget and you don't buy until you have enough to get what you need and not leave yourself penniless.
And to the person who said I don't have a clue. Yes you are right that is exactly why I prefer not to take the chance no matter how small. And I won't be the only one.

The financial benefit is not minimal, it's over £60 at the moment and means you can have a 2TB console for less than the cost of a 1TB one. It also means you can get the special edition consoles which aren't available with 1TB drives.

I understand fine that people are worried about messing this sort of thing up, as an IT person I know full well the sort of job people can do without risk and I know which jobs people shouldn't do as there's a risk of damage so that's why I'm posting based on actual experience rather than your constant misplaced scaremongering. Replacing hard drives is very much the former, before manufacturers realised there was more money longterm in preventing user upgrades it was entirely normal for laptops to have user upgradeable hard drives because it was easy to do and no risk to the laptop. Sony as well simply would not support upgrading the hard drives on the consoles if there was any risk to the console yet they've continually done for many years and many hardware revisions.

Everything has risk, it's a case of assessing that risk - if you've ever switched your console on or physically moved it you've already put it at much higher risk than you would if you attempted to replace the hard drive. I've never known anyone who has managed to damage their console when replacing the hard drive but I do know of people who have killed their consoles when it's slipped and fallen when being carried or it's had an impact when running such as accidentally dropping a heavy item onto the console or the shelf the console has had enough of a shock to damage the console's internal drive. So if you're really as minimal risk as you claim, I'll assume you won't touch a console ever again and you won't be posting a reply as using a PC or other electronic device is also high risk to it due to the possibility of dropping it, electrostatic damage or an impact to the PC.

John

donnajunkie

Johnmcl7 wrote: »

The financial benefit is not minimal, it's over £60 at the moment and means you can have a 2TB console for less than the cost of a 1TB one. It also means you can get the special edition consoles which aren't available with 1TB drives.

I understand fine that people are worried about messing this sort of thing up, as an IT person I know full well the sort of job people can do without risk and I know which jobs people shouldn't do as there's a risk of damage so that's why I'm posting based on actual experience rather than your constant misplaced scaremongering. Replacing hard drives is very much the former, before manufacturers realised there was more money longterm in preventing user upgrades it was entirely normal for laptops to have user upgradeable hard drives because it was easy to do and no risk to the laptop. Sony as well simply would not support upgrading the hard drives on the consoles if there was any risk to the console yet they've continually done for many years and many hardware revisions.

Everything has risk, it's a case of assessing that risk - if you've ever switched your console on or physically moved it you've already put it at much higher risk than you would if you attempted to replace the hard drive. I've never known anyone who has managed to damage their console when replacing the hard drive but I do know of people who have killed their consoles when it's slipped and fallen when being carried or it's had an impact when running such as accidentally dropping a heavy item onto the console or the shelf the console has had enough of a shock to damage the console's internal drive. So if you're really as minimal risk as you claim, I'll assume you won't touch a console ever again and you won't be posting a reply as using a PC or other electronic device is also high risk to it due to the possibility of dropping it, electrostatic damage or an impact to the PC.

John

not scare mongering, just saying i wouldnt do it and i think alot of people wouldnt. i am not telling people they shouldnt. what it is is worry of the unknown. yes there are other things people do that you can say have more risk but because you are familiar you dont fear that risk.

Lumstorm

I say people should just put the unfounded fear aside changing the PS4 hard drive is about as difficult as plugging it in and connecting to the TV as pointed out Sony give you instructions they mean to allow people to change the drive.

Plenty of people have changed the drives in the PS4, I know someone that changed it and then thought how daft they were for worrying about it before hand.

ineed

As said You should get whichever your friends play/games that appeal more to you. We have both here and OH likes PS4 but personally I always prefer Xbox. The games I like seem to get better treatment on Xbox; exclusivity, more/early access DLC, less bugs etc and I like the 4 free games with gold deal.