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Appeal VCS

redadmiral
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HI. Would appreciate help or pointing in right direction.
I know there are numerous thread relating to parking fines at Humberside Airport but not found it easy to find anything up to date relating to initial appeal letter. I received a PCN 10 days ago from Vehicle Control Services Ltd who belong to Independent Parking Committee (IPC) and whose appeal process goes to Independent Appeals Service (IAS). I intend to challenge and wondered if the appeal letter as posted by CP (as below) was still recommended. I know there have been successful appeals but they seem to be through POPLA which has now changed. I hope I'm not breaking any protocols here but not familiar with these forums and although I've spent some considerable time searching through various threads I've found it difficult to negotiate and get the relevant information.
if this is an IPC member parking firm, see post #3, there is no POPLA for you, so consumers do not get a fair appeal. Instead, just send this letter or a version of it, writing ONLY as the registered keeper, giving the registered keeper's name and address (thanks to salmosalaris for the basis of this letter):
Dear {name of IPC member, only IPC members for this version!!!}
Re PCN number:
I am not ignoring your charge for a purported parking infraction. As this is purely a charge (not a statutory penalty) issued under a purported contract and the driver has not been identified, I require the following information so that I can make an informed decision:
1. Who is the party that contracted with your company for the provision of their services? I require their contact details.
2. What is the full legal identity of the landowner?
3. As you are not the landowner please provide a contemporaneous and unredacted copy of your contract with the landholder that demonstrate that you have their authority to both issue parking charges and litigate in your own name.
4. Is your charge based on damages for breach of contract? Answer yes or no.
5. If the charge is based on damages for breach of contract please provide your justification of this sum.
6. Is your charge based on a contractually agreed sum for the provision of parking? Answer yes or no.
7. If the charge is based on a contractually agreed sum for the provision of parking please provide a valid VAT invoice for this 'service'.
8. Please provide a copy of the signs that purportedly were on site which you contend formed a contract with the driver on that occasion.
If you believe you have a cause of action, send a Letter before Claim within the next 21 days and I will take advice and will respond.
In my opinion, there is a better alternative than legal proceedings, namely that we utilise the services of a completely independent ADR service suited to parking charges. This does not include the IAS appeal service - which lacks any transparency and possibly any independence from the IPC - unlike the alternative offered by the British Parking Association, POPLA, which is transparent and has been shown to be independent.
Do not send debt collector letters and do not add any costs or surcharges. I will not respond to those, so to involve another firm would be a failure to mitigate your alleged loss. In any case, the addition of any debt collector 'costs' is not my liability because the POFA 2012 can only potentially hold a registered keeper liable if certain provisions have been met and even then, the 'amount of the parking charge' is the only amount pursuable.
Yours faithfully,
I know there are numerous thread relating to parking fines at Humberside Airport but not found it easy to find anything up to date relating to initial appeal letter. I received a PCN 10 days ago from Vehicle Control Services Ltd who belong to Independent Parking Committee (IPC) and whose appeal process goes to Independent Appeals Service (IAS). I intend to challenge and wondered if the appeal letter as posted by CP (as below) was still recommended. I know there have been successful appeals but they seem to be through POPLA which has now changed. I hope I'm not breaking any protocols here but not familiar with these forums and although I've spent some considerable time searching through various threads I've found it difficult to negotiate and get the relevant information.
if this is an IPC member parking firm, see post #3, there is no POPLA for you, so consumers do not get a fair appeal. Instead, just send this letter or a version of it, writing ONLY as the registered keeper, giving the registered keeper's name and address (thanks to salmosalaris for the basis of this letter):
Dear {name of IPC member, only IPC members for this version!!!}
Re PCN number:
I am not ignoring your charge for a purported parking infraction. As this is purely a charge (not a statutory penalty) issued under a purported contract and the driver has not been identified, I require the following information so that I can make an informed decision:
1. Who is the party that contracted with your company for the provision of their services? I require their contact details.
2. What is the full legal identity of the landowner?
3. As you are not the landowner please provide a contemporaneous and unredacted copy of your contract with the landholder that demonstrate that you have their authority to both issue parking charges and litigate in your own name.
4. Is your charge based on damages for breach of contract? Answer yes or no.
5. If the charge is based on damages for breach of contract please provide your justification of this sum.
6. Is your charge based on a contractually agreed sum for the provision of parking? Answer yes or no.
7. If the charge is based on a contractually agreed sum for the provision of parking please provide a valid VAT invoice for this 'service'.
8. Please provide a copy of the signs that purportedly were on site which you contend formed a contract with the driver on that occasion.
If you believe you have a cause of action, send a Letter before Claim within the next 21 days and I will take advice and will respond.
In my opinion, there is a better alternative than legal proceedings, namely that we utilise the services of a completely independent ADR service suited to parking charges. This does not include the IAS appeal service - which lacks any transparency and possibly any independence from the IPC - unlike the alternative offered by the British Parking Association, POPLA, which is transparent and has been shown to be independent.
Do not send debt collector letters and do not add any costs or surcharges. I will not respond to those, so to involve another firm would be a failure to mitigate your alleged loss. In any case, the addition of any debt collector 'costs' is not my liability because the POFA 2012 can only potentially hold a registered keeper liable if certain provisions have been met and even then, the 'amount of the parking charge' is the only amount pursuable.
Yours faithfully,
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some background reading for you ......
The scammers that infest some of the smaller airports are in cahoots with said airports as its is a (allegedly) mutual financial arrangement ....
Go back two years and you would have won this at a POPLA appeal ..... however in the world of PPC's they created another trade body (the IPC) that have a (again allegedly) kangaroo court :eek: (the IAS) The IAS seem to treat appeals as a lottery 80%+ loose irrespective of the evidence.......
you therefore can, after reading the below, do the first appeal (a new template appeal for the IPC is imminent) ,and then ignore .... or do the appeals as a paper trail.
VCS did try out their first small claims court case over such ....and as predict that they pulled out before the trial ..... . They did not dare try placing this before a real judge! and have not yet tried again ..... I wounder why ?
Please do not let this put you off ..... read through some of the below for background information ....
http://parking-prankster.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/vehicle-control-systems-signage-at.html
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5191690
( a car rental thread)
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5132921
(Doncaster Airport)
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5192051
(complainint to the dvla)
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5130131
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5177878
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5180656
(Luton Airport)
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5177198
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5110349
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5171250
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5152822
(Robin Hood Airport)
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5131416
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5149455
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5148343
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5386589
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5242997
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5384003
https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/5387380
some of the links go back up to one year a go …..
Good luck
Ralph:cool:0
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