UKPC Issued Ticket on Residential Site

stevewilliams_2

Hi,

I'm looking for a bit of advice re: the best option of appealing 4 parking tickets:

My daughter moved in to a block of apartments at the beginning of December. Each apartment has it's own marked parking bay.

When moving her in I noticed there are clear signs stating that the car park is for residents only and that a permit must be displayed.

We rung the letting agent on the day to enquire about the parking permit. Their reply was nobody had asked for one previously so don't worry about it.

We also spoke to the landlord (not a local) who also said they were unaware of the need for a permit.

She stayed with us over Xmas and New Year - on returning home she had 4 parking tickets on the car for not displaying a permit!

I have spoken to the letting agent, who are not interested as is the landlord. I have also spoken to and emailed the Management Company for the apartment block who have (correctly) said that the signs are there to see and that it is the fault of the letting agent for not informing them of a change in occupier.

I don't know whether to appeal using the template in the NEWBIES sticky (if this option, do I leave out the part about the signs not being visible?) or on the grounds listed above?

Any advice would be welcome.

Thank you

beamerguy

stevewilliams wrote: »

Hi,

I'm looking for a bit of advice re: the best option of appealing 4 parking tickets:

My daughter moved in to a block of apartments at the beginning of December. Each apartment has it's own marked parking bay.

When moving her in I noticed there are clear signs stating that the car park is for residents only and that a permit must be displayed.

We rung the letting agent on the day to enquire about the parking permit. Their reply was nobody had asked for one previously so don't worry about it.

We also spoke to the landlord (not a local) who also said they were unaware of the need for a permit.

She stayed with us over Xmas and New Year - on returning home she had 4 parking tickets on the car for not displaying a permit!

I have spoken to the letting agent, who are not interested as is the landlord. I have also spoken to and emailed the Management Company for the apartment block who have (correctly) said that the signs are there to see and that it is the fault of the letting agent for not informing them of a change in occupier.

I don't know whether to appeal using the template in the NEWBIES sticky (if this option, do I leave out the part about the signs not being visible?) or on the grounds listed above?

Any advice would be welcome.

Thank you

What a Catch22 situation.
YES, follow the Newbies thread, that is important.

In the meantime, you need to discover if the land owner and/or letting agent have given UKPC permission to do this and issue charges on their behalf. Someone is responsible for this.

Check the pictures as UKPC are well known for fraud as they doctor pictures by changing the time stamps

stevewilliams_2

Thanks for the reply.

The management company have confirmed that they have given UKPC permission to issue the tickets.

They are saying that they cannot get them cancelled and that the letting agent is to blame. The letting agent are saying that they just find the tenants and have no further involvement!

Not sure if relevant, but there is nothing in the tenants agreement mentioning car park permits.

pappa_golf

who,s responsibility was it to issue permits , did you ask "for a permit" when she moved in?

Half_way

is there any mention in the tenancy/lease/freehold agreement about parking and parking permits?

Coupon-mad

Please don't remove ANYTHING from the template appeal in the NEWBIES thread. Have you not noticed that in fact the terms and the 'charge' is deliberately not readable on the signs (check the pics on UKPC's website, you will see the signage looks white/pale/unreadable in the photo).

Stick to the script, UKPC are easy to beat at POPLA. We know what we are doing. I helped someone beat UKPC x 8 'no permit' PCNs once, all at POPLA, all won. Removing the signage argument from a UKPC appeal would be madness, it's key!

APPEAL AS REGISTERED KEEPER ONLY, ONLINE AROUND DAY 26, for the reasons given in the NEWBIES thread.

stevewilliams_2

pappa_golf wrote: »

who,s responsibility was it to issue permits , did you ask "for a permit" when she moved in?

We saw the signs on moving her in and rang the letting agent immediately - they claimed they said they had never been asked before and not to worry about it.

We also spoke to the landlord who said he knew nothing about the need for a permit.

There is no mention of parking or permits in the letting agreement.

It is a car park solely for use by the apartments and the apartment numbers are painted in the bays.

stevewilliams_2

Coupon-mad wrote: »

Please don't remove ANYTHING from the template appeal in the NEWBIES thread. Have you not noticed that in fact the terms and the 'charge' is deliberately not readable on the signs (check the pics on UKPC's website, you will see the signage looks white/pale/unreadable in the photo).

Stick to the script, UKPC are easy to beat at POPLA. We know what we are doing. I helped someone beat UKPC x 8 'no permit' PCNs once, all at POPLA, all won. Removing the signage argument from a UKPC appeal would be madness, it's key!

APPEAL AS REGISTERED KEEPER ONLY, ONLINE AROUND DAY 26, for the reasons given in the NEWBIES thread.

Great, will do.

Thank you

Half_way

Is there any mention of parking at all, that is the right to park a vehicle in the car park?

beamerguy

stevewilliams wrote: »

Thanks for the reply.

The management company have confirmed that they have given UKPC permission to issue the tickets.

They are saying that they cannot get them cancelled and that the letting agent is to blame. The letting agent are saying that they just find the tenants and have no further involvement!

Not sure if relevant, but there is nothing in the tenants agreement mentioning car park permits.

Follow what coupon-mad says above.

If it is the management company who employed UKPC they can tell them to cancel.

I wonder what the Management company and letting agent would say if you said, "if this goes to court, you would involve them as well"

Coupon-mad will help you to get rid of these cowboys

The_Deep

Dpo not worry too much about this. Rhere is very little oprospect of these scammers taking you to court, especially in a residential car park. Here is why

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]UKPC are former clampers who have been involved in quite a number of sordid scams. \for example[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hull Trading Standards took them to court on 15 counts of fraud. They won all but one, but only because they had a better lawyer, a Q.C. If I recall correctly[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=63597[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]They were bested by a Winchester barrister [/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?377246-UKPC-liable-for-trespass-**SUCCESS**[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]They were involved in a large scale scam which resulted in a DVLA suspension[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11858473/Parking-firm-UKPC-admits-faking-tickets-to-fine-drivers.html[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]And then of course there was Tracey Kiss[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]http://www.tracykiss.com/product-reviews/my-ukpc-parking-charge/[/FONT]