If we vote for Brexit what happens

sheff6107

iantojones40 wrote: »

... and herein lies the problem, being a debt junkie was, at one time, a source of shame and embarrassment, proof of someone being financially incompetent and fe ckless... now thanks to current fiscal policy it's just a normal and acceptable way of living.

There is a difference between good debt and bad debt.

mwpt

CLAPTON wrote: »

there is no real reason that suggests that movement of people makes both the 'source' country and the 'receiving' country better off.

free movement of people reduces the need to use labour more productively.
I don't know your area of work but if you were short of labour do you not look for more effective (productive) ways to work : do you not believe the logic that says that necessity is the mother of invention.

This argument could be applied at the regional level within the UK, so doesn't hold any weight with me.

I am content with free movement of people within the sovereign UK because my objective is the best interests of the UK overall: I have no idea what your objectives are except you seem to have little commitment to the people of the UK.

You choose your borders at the UK level to define the group of people you want the best for. Some people may prefer to choose their borders at the national level within the UK, segregating Scotland or perhaps NI for example.

I choose the EU level because it was a step in the direction I would prefer the whole world to take.

mrginge

mwpt wrote: »

This argument could be applied at the regional level within the UK, so doesn't hold any weight with me.



You choose your borders at the UK level to define the group of people you want the best for. Some people may prefer to choose their borders at the national level within the UK, segregating Scotland or perhaps NI for example.

I choose the EU level because it was a step in the direction I would prefer the whole world to take.

The UK is still a fiscal union.
Do you want the EU to be a fiscal Union?

mwpt

mrginge wrote: »

The UK is still a fiscal union.
Do you want the EU to be a fiscal Union?

I think it was perhaps too soon for the fiscal union but I can understand why the concept was pursued. It was working fine until the GFC and then some of the flaws were revealed.

CLAPTON

mwpt wrote: »

This argument could be applied at the regional level within the UK, so doesn't hold any weight with me.



You choose your borders at the UK level to define the group of people you want the best for. Some people may prefer to choose their borders at the national level within the UK, segregating Scotland or perhaps NI for example.

I choose the EU level because it was a step in the direction I would prefer the whole world to take.

So you accept that the people of the UK are worse off because of free movment applying at the EU level, even though you feel that overall the people of the EU on average do better

Do you accept that free movement within europe helps the countries like Bulgaria, Poland, Romainia, Greece etc that are losing people?

ruelle

http://news.sky.com/story/house-prices-to-rise-by-average-33-a-year-surveyors-10569412

mrginge

mwpt wrote: »

I think it was perhaps too soon for the fiscal union but I can understand why the concept was pursued. It was working fine under the GFC and then some of the flaws were revealed.

so you accept that your comparison of free movement within the UK to free movement across the EU is actually worthless.

ukcarper

sheff6107 wrote: »

There is a difference between good debt and bad debt.

I think that's the problem they don't understand that and see all debt as bad.

mwpt

No, to both of your questions.

TrickyTree83

mwpt wrote: »

No, to both of your questions.

I actually came across an analysis of the impact of free movement on the newly joined countries.

It affects them quite badly because there is differing levels of standards of living across the EU. So the young and well educated can move to richer countries in the EU at the expense of the poorer countries creating a drag on their economies. No intelligent young people to take up the mantle of their predecessors.

So whilst countries like the UK, Germany and France may benefit, countries that experience emigration lose out.