If we vote for Brexit what happens

baza52

michaels wrote: »

Sickining behaviour by some of the Tory leadership contenders refusing to tell Eurpeans already living here that they can definitely stay.

kick em out. Simple enough.

Rinoa

michaels wrote: »

Sickining behaviour by some of the Tory leadership contenders refusing to tell Eurpeans already living here that they can definitely stay.

Andrea Leadsom is the only one who categorically said EU citizens are welcome to stay here. Like her a lot and she's gaining a lot of support.

TrickyTree83

michaels wrote: »

Sickining behaviour by some of the Tory leadership contenders refusing to tell Eurpeans already living here that they can definitely stay.

I suspect it's posturing for the upcoming negotiations.

Rinoa

rlc22 wrote: »

That's not what he says at all. Have you read it? He's talking in relation to the EU and "out is out" means that if you're out then you can't have have an influence over the EU still.

He doesn't even mention the single market. A non-story.

No, he doesn't there, but that's what he was referring to when he stated 'out is out' back in June.

From City AM:

Schauble warned in mid-June that “In is in. Out is out” when it comes to Single Market access, but he has now admitted he did following a request from the Treasury.

http://www.cityam.com/244720/chancellor-george-osborne-pushed-german-government-into

ukcarper

indianabones wrote: »

One of three things have to happen to deal with the imbalance.

1. People's salaries to go up by at least 70/80% and more in London.
2. A market crash by at least 30% and more in London.
3. The government to choke up half a million houses.

Since 1 and 3 aren't happening anytime soon. So what does that leave us with?

There will be a crash.

What imbalance is that.

Just to say I don't know what is going to happen just as Crashy and you don't.

indianabones

ukcarper wrote: »

What imbalance is that.

Just to say I don't know what is going to happen just as Crashy and you don't.

Are you fricking kidding me?

You think our country can go on with the average house price being more than 9 times the average salary?

We know it's going to happen because it's inevitable. To say it won't happen is illogical. It will happen it's just a case of when.

michaels

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I suspect it's posturing for the upcoming negotiations.

In the 'we are sick f.wits who would cut of our own noses to spit our face so you had better give us a good deal' school of negotiating?

Or is it about internal tory party leadership electioneering?

I thought Ms May was a safe pair of hands but she has really dropped the ball on this one.

According to the BBC Leadstrom and Gove have both said current nationals can stay. Personally I think they should go further and state anyone who comes up to 6 months after article 50 is invoked can stay so that people can plan and recruit now.

ukcarper

ukcarper wrote: »

What imbalance is that.

Just to say I don't know what is going to happen just as Crashy and you don't.

indianabones wrote: »

Are you fricking kidding me?

You think our country can go on with the average house price being more than 9 times the average salary?

Nationwide shows house price to earnings ratio of 6x compared to longterm average of 4.2x and with not enough houses being built yes they can be sustained.

Things have now changed and we don't now what effect that will have but your imbalance argument has been used as a reason for a crash for sometime.

I personal think it would be better if prices were lower but to many people seem to look for reasons for a crash and convince themselves that it's going to happen.

TrickyTree83

michaels wrote: »

In the 'we are sick f.wits who would cut of our own noses to spit our face so you had better give us a good deal' school of negotiating?

Or is it about internal tory party leadership electioneering?

I thought Ms May was a safe pair of hands but she has really dropped the ball on this one.

According to the BBC Leadstrom and Gove have both said current nationals can stay. Personally I think they should go further and state anyone who comes up to 6 months after article 50 is invoked can stay so that people can plan and recruit now.

Could be that it's a dropped ball, it could also be that it's sensible in leaving everything on the table at this stage. I don't know about you but I've never done any international inter-governmental negotiations before. Whilst the EU are making noise about no full access to the single market without freedom of movement they appear to already be posturing for the upcoming negotiations.

michaels

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Could be that it's a dropped ball, it could also be that it's sensible in leaving everything on the table at this stage. I don't know about you but I've never done any international inter-governmental negotiations before. Whilst the EU are making noise about no full access to the single market without freedom of movement they appear to already be posturing for the upcoming negotiations.

I think it is just plain wrong and will damage the economy as well as hurting individuals - we are a long way fromhaving the points based scheme in place so for the moment we need EU migration to continue.

Personally I would grant free movement to anyone from anywhere with a GDP per head more than about 10% less than the UKs and suggest other countries reciprocate. Sure restrict entitlement to benefits, nhs, pensions etc to incomers until they had made sufficient contributions but otherwise let them come, it being rich countries they will onyl come if they can contribute not just to suck up our iminimum wage jobs because they find them so attractive.

I suspect most countries would then choose to reciprocate.