If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

the migrants arent just filling jobs they are also creating demand so you can and will need both

long term unemployment in the UK is about 1% and it will very likely still be 1% in a decades time. The population will go up by about 5 million of which 3 million will take jobs (the other 2 million will be children or the old or the retired). These 3 million additional workers in jobs does not displace the locals onto unemployment as the unemployment is 1% now and then.

That means if the migrants are taking the lower paid jobs then they must be pushing some of the locals to higher tiers of work and pay. Something mostly invisible to everyone!


I think I am going to take Hamish Side on this one. Migrants probably are big net contributors maybe much more so than even Hamish realizes when we take the fact that the migrants allow locals to upskill and uppay

is this a universal economic law?
is it working in say Greece, Spain, Italy?
or does it only operate in the UK ?

supermario1965

kabayiri wrote: »

It's very simple for me.

I make more money by dealing with Indian and Chinese workers, specifically the skilled ones.

Some of the really good ones get to move here, and some choose to work with us back in India.

So why would I favour Eastern Europeans? The ones I encounter are low skilled and want to take out more than they give.

I couldn't give a rats about an European project controlled by a bunch of mainly older men in suits at the heart of Europe.

European migrants are the worst I've ever worked with! And to think that not long ago we thought they had a stronger work ethic than our own workers. Let's not make this mistake again!


LEAVE!

cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

are you saying, that from where we are now, we can have all the infrastructure spending we need without an increase in tax, borrowing or cutting other spending?

on net infrastuure over all the things needed by a bigger population yes

cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

is this a universal economic law?
is it working in say Greece, Spain, Italy?
or does it only operate in the UK ?

It is not an economic law its a clear obvious mathematical equation which is far far more realiable than any economic law.

the 'law' says if the unemployment rate is about static but the number of people employed is growing and these added people are migrants taking low paid jobs then the locals are upskilled and uppaid

How can it be anything else? Mathematics does not lie

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

on net infrastuure over all the things needed by a bigger population yes

I think you are saying we need to raise taxes / borrow more / cut other spending to pay for the infrastructure needed to cater for immigration.

so we will make the people per capita poorer as they will need to tay more tax and so reduce their take home income.
why would any rational people what immigration that make them poorer?

TrickyTree83

To do anything we'd need to borrow, you can't segregate the tax take from migrants and use that to build. And at the moment borrowing is the only thing keeping services as they are right now. In about 3 - 4 years that should be under control but any new government that decides to borrow to do what you're suggesting will get us into the same mess we're trying to get out of now. So really we're stuck with what we've got, there may be a little room for maneuver but not on the scale required.

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

It is not an economic law its a clear obvious mathematical equation which is far far more realiable than any economic law.

the 'law' says if the unemployment rate is about static but the number of people employed is growing and these added people are migrants taking low paid jobs then the locals are upskilled and uppaid

How can it be anything else? Mathematics does not lie

ok
the joke continues another day

Mistermeaner

supermario1965 wrote: »

European migrants are the worst I've ever worked with! And to think that not long ago we thought they had a stronger work ethic than our own workers. Let's not make this mistake again!


LEAVE!

Now there's a rounded view considering all aspects of the debate

This for me sums upalot (but not all) of the leave mentality

I personally know some jolly hard working Germans STAY

cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

I think you are saying we need to raise taxes / borrow more / cut other spending to pay for the infrastructure needed to cater for immigration.

so we will make the people per capita poorer as they will need to tay more tax and so reduce their take home income.
why would any rational people what immigration that make them poorer?

I didn't say anything like that. I said it looks like to me that migration into the UK is probably a big net positive on the taxes (so they pay much more taxes then they get in benefits when you consider that they also upskill other participants). I also said that additional infrastructure often costs £0 for example if the UK expanded by a million it would cost £0 in additional power stations. For the infrastructure that does not have a zero cost the cost of additional capacity is often much less than the overall cost. So to add an additional dozen trains to a train system costs a hell of a lot less than to build a new line. With changes going towards digital signalling it looks like the same lines might be able to double capacity with just more stock.

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

I didn't say anything like that. I said it looks like to me that migration into the UK is probably a big net positive on the taxes (so they pay much more taxes then they get in benefits when you consider that they also upskill other participants). I also said that additional infrastructure often costs £0 for example if the UK expanded by a million it would cost £0 in additional power stations. For the infrastructure that does not have a zero cost the cost of additional capacity is often much less than the overall cost. So to add an additional dozen trains to a train system costs a hell of a lot less than to build a new line. With changes going towards digital signalling it looks like the same lines might be able to double capacity with just more stock.

so all in all
we have adequate infrastructure, housing, transport, NHS resources, teachers etc but where they are some small issues the marginal cost of correction is trivial.

does this magic work in greece, spain, italy and other countries worldwide or is it unique to UK