If we vote for Brexit what happens

michaels

I am defintely in the income deciles who benefit most from membership and have used cheap Polish builders in my time but I favour Brexit because I don't think it is fair.

Moby

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Yep, it was a conspiracy when they said don't join the single market, it was a conspiracy when they said don't pull out of the ERM, it was a conspiracy when they said join the Euro and it was a conspiracy when they kept quiet on the crash of 2008.

Where's my tinfoil hat?

No ....not the same thing....those decisions you mention were not clear. This is and there is near 100% equanimity, that is unprecendented!

buglawton

BobQ wrote: »

What % of the UK land is built on? A clue: (it is a lot less than 10%)

Which as I pointed out in paras 3 & 5 of my post, is of no help to UK living-space seekers.

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

I only quote what you say in your posts
that isn't trolling its simply pointing out that I disagree with your love of IRA supporting labor leaders and your hatred of British institutions and your ignorance of the true state of feeling about the EU amongst ORDINARY people (not just labour activisitic in a cocoon) and of course your ignorance about what 'little englander' means .

I'm challenged you loads of times to point out any specific point that you consider incorrect or a troll.

You following me around and repeating false claims regarding my views is trolling. I frankly don't care whether you agree with me or not and I have no interest in engaging in any sort of a challenge with an individual like you who I frankly regard as a bit strange.

CLAPTON

BobQ wrote: »

Again you wilfully misinterpret what I said (again) and fail to explain your reference to blame.

Bit pointless continuing really.

Now I understand what you are saying

you wish to avoid the substantial issue of raising taxes / borrowing to pay the costs of increased population but anyway:

The answer is that you said that brexiters BLAME immigrants for things: I have many times corrected that to say there are CONSEQUENCES of increased population : NO BLAME just CONSEQUENCES.
Hence the issue : do we increase taxes or just do nothing?

hope that answers your point.

TrickyTree83

Moby wrote: »

No ....not the same thing....those decisions were not clear. This is and there is near 100% equanimity, that is unprecendented!

So the infamous letter of 364 was a minority in opposition to Margaret Thatchers decision to join the single market in 1981?

This decision is certainly not clear. It may be in your mind but it's not in almost half of the population if you go by all of the opinion polls to date. I accept there might be economic consequences to leaving, there's also a chance there won't be but that's not recognised by those for whom it doesn't fit the narrative.

Edit: Correction - it was a decision on the 1981 budget, apologies.

kabayiri

michaels wrote: »

I am defintely in the income deciles who benefit most from membership and have used cheap Polish builders in my time but I favour Brexit because I don't think it is fair.

It's very simple for me.

I make more money by dealing with Indian and Chinese workers, specifically the skilled ones.

Some of the really good ones get to move here, and some choose to work with us back in India.

So why would I favour Eastern Europeans? The ones I encounter are low skilled and want to take out more than they give.

I couldn't give a rats about an European project controlled by a bunch of mainly older men in suits at the heart of Europe.

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

You following me around and repeating false claims regarding my views is trolling. I frankly don't care whether you agree with me or not and I have no interest in engaging in any sort of a challenge with an individual like you who I frankly regard as a bit strange.

this is a discussion forum
if you wish to praise an IRA supporter then its fair comment to reply
if you wish to rubbish British institutions then its fair comment to reply
if you wish to use racist terms like 'little englander' and incorrectly at that, then its fair comment to reply

I will post as I see fit : you are free to ignore then if you wish

Moby

CLAPTON wrote: »

Now I understand what you are saying

you wish to avoid the substantial issue of raising taxes / borrowing to pay the costs of increased population but anyway:

The answer is that you said that brexiters BLAME immigrants for things: I have many times corrected that to say there are CONSEQUENCES of increased population : NO BLAME just CONSEQUENCES.
Hence the issue : do we increase taxes or just do nothing?

hope that answers your point.

More dog whistle politics from the immigrant hater. Clapton talks about 'consequences' and of course he means 'blame'. Typical little Englander bigot....obsessed with Johnny Foreigner taking his resources. :rotfl:

TrickyTree83

Moby wrote: »

More dog whistle politics from the immigrant hater. Clapton talks about 'consequences' and of course he means 'blame'. Typical little Englander bigot....obsessed with Johnny Foreigner taking his resources. :rotfl:

Does it not worry you that if 500m people have an EU passport and Eurozone unemployment doesn't improve that when the £10 p/h living wage comes into force in the UK that our population and it's density (something no one here has referred to yet) will rise much further and much faster than it has previously?

I understand that my comment is speculative, it's how I feel when I put myself in the shoes of an Italian, Greek, Spanish, Portuguese young person who is unable to find work in their home country. I can speak a bit of English from my schooling days and the minimum wage in the UK is much higher than it is in my home country. If I had the opportunity to move I would go.

Now should that come to pass with the free movement of people it seems to me that it's not an unreasonable leap to see a situation with even higher pressure on all services. Even more so if families make the move and only one member of the family is earning that minimum wage, and if you can't feed or house your family you're more likely to take the decision to move in order to be able to do so.

Edit: If this is a real possibility, and it doesn't seem unreasonable to say that this is possible, according to some on here the UK government ought to be building/planning for these people to arrive. Because if we didn't then we'd be attempting to service more people with less resource per person. Right?

But isn't the reality at the moment that we cannot afford to build all these new schools and hospitals and recruiting the staff we need for them? That we shouldn't be living beyond our means and borrowing to the hilt to fund all of this expansion? So someone please explain how we're supposed to deal with an influx of people - which we're unable to control at the border - when we're unable to deal with and pay for what we have now?