If we vote for Brexit what happens

tommysaver

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

It could be just as silly or even worse! It could also be better.

But you're asking the wrong question in my opinion. It's not "What are they going to change it to?" or "Will it be better or worse?" these questions miss the point and only scrape the surface. You should be asking, and I would hope the rest of the British electorate will be asking themselves the same thing (I doubt it though):

"Are the people making these decisions accountable to democratic process?"

Meaning, if you don't like what they're doing you can vote for someone else. If enough people agree with your view then whoever you have voted for will be elected to carry out what they told you they would do.

The problem with the EU is that is not the case. The people within the EU commission are impervious to democratic process. There is simply no way for the general public to get rid of them. So in terms of the EU, your general election vote counts for diddly squat. For example if I was selected as the EU commissioner for the UK and I proposed that everyone with the name "tommysaver" was taxed 100% and it passed, there would be absolutely nothing anyone could do about it unless a majority of the commissioners agreed to repeal it. And if they're doing quite well out of taxing you 100%, why would they, they can't be voted out! Therein lies just one of the many problems with the EU.

IF the EU was a collaboration of national governments, friends, allies and trading partners it would be a far more suitable organisation.

So if we left the EU it means that the UK government of the day has absolute power over all UK affairs. Which in turn means that if you as a voter are not happy about how they are performing then every 5 years you can vote against them according to your views, and as I said earlier if enough people feel the same way the government of the day changes and the next government can "fix" the problems the previous government created. Basically - if we leave, your vote actually counts.

Thanks TrickyTree.

After having watched Brexit the movie, and Jeremy Paxman in Brussels, I hear you loud and clear!

From a democratic point of view, I'm 100% voting out. I'm just trying to clear up a few of the other areas.

Cheers - Tom

mrginge

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I agree, it only takes a small eastern European nation who isn't as exposed to dig their heels in to cause problems, out of all the possibilities I would think this is the most likely. Which is part of the problem with the EU in the first place.

Hilarious isn't it. Kind of like the UK govt having to run the queens speech past Lancashire.

TrickyTree83

tommysaver wrote: »

Thanks TrickyTree.

After having watched Brexit the movie, and Jeremy Paxman in Brussels, I hear you loud and clear!

From a democratic point of view, I'm 100% voting out. I'm just trying to clear up a few of the other areas.

Cheers - Tom

Your welcome, the thread on here is particularly good. I enjoy the sensible argument about how everything works and what are the genuine pro's and con's with the two options.

In particular I'm very sad to find out that (after voting conservative in the last election) that Mr Osborne is a massive liar, massive. Also the euro-skeptic Jeremy Corbyn is now a Bremainian and "Call me Dave" has backtracked on his statement that the UK could prosper outside of the EU that he made before his negotiations and is now spouting all sorts of scary claptrap to the British public.

I feel that the people on this thread and the forum in general have done more for me in this process than any politician, Brexiteers and Bremainians alike. God bless the Great British public :beer:

tommysaver

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Your welcome, the thread on here is particularly good. I enjoy the sensible argument about how everything works and what are the genuine pro's and con's with the two options.

In particular I'm very sad to find out that (after voting conservative in the last election) that Mr Osborne is a massive liar, massive. Also the euro-skeptic Jeremy Corbyn is now a Bremainian and "Call me Dave" has backtracked on his statement that the UK could prosper outside of the EU that he made before his negotiations and is now spouting all sorts of scary claptrap to the British public.

I feel that the people on this thread and the forum in general have done more for me in this process than any politician, Brexiteers and Bremainians alike. God bless the Great British public :beer:

Haha, agreed! I must admit, from everything I'm reading, everyone I'm speaking to, all the comments on the BBC, Telegraph, Dailymail, Facebook, at work, it's a resounding OUT. I'm genuinely feeling to lump some on at current odds of 3.75 to 1.

Cheers, Tom

BobQ

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

They would risk the economies of Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece for a dig at the UK?

I think they are threatening to do so to try and convince us to vote Remain. If they carried through on the threat to "rap us on the knuckles" then the shock will be bad for the UK but also bad for the EU. You have to consider the bond prices of all these struggling Euro economies will rise above what they can deal with and they're end up with another crisis, like Greece, probably another in Greece, it'll be a disaster for them as much as us.

There's a mutual interest to keep things stable.

You are probably right when viewed in a purely financial sense, but will that be the only consideration if the EU feels slighted?

michaels

Cheeky little question:

Are European countries allowed to make reciprocal free movement agreements with non-eu countries? After Brexit could we make such deals with France, Holland, Germany etc?

Generali

michaels wrote: »

Cheeky little question:

Are European countries allowed to make reciprocal free movement agreements with non-eu countries? After Brexit could we make such deals with France, Holland, Germany etc?

I imagine so. The UK appears free to decide immigration policy in the EU so I guess that policy could be 'none'.

CLAPTON

michaels wrote: »

Cheeky little question:

Are European countries allowed to make reciprocal free movement agreements with non-eu countries? After Brexit could we make such deals with France, Holland, Germany etc?

germany invited a million immigrants last summer

the issue presumbaly is that they will not (yet) be german citizens so will not have free movement within the EU countries.

UK seems to allow 200,000 a year of non EU people to come : I guess they all become citizens eventually

Generali

(Br)exit polls:

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/9697?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PollingReport+%28UK+Polling+Report%29

gfplux

michaels wrote: »

Luxembourg..as in Amazon et al will no longer be able to avoid uk vat...thats got to be worth a few hundred million

Why do you think that. Amazon et al avoiding VAT and Corporation Tax has NOTHING to do with Britain being in or out.