If we vote for Brexit what happens

BobQ

gfplux wrote: »

Thanks BobQ for the clarification. However can we except that this is a service thought up and paid for by British Politiciens.
Living where I do I understand (but do not know for a fact) that this "service" is not a regular expense born by other EU states except perhaps in Immigration centres dealing with recently arrived migrants.

Yes, I agree it is not an EU requirement just the way that UK politicians have decided to act for whatever reason. I have not done a survey on the matter but I believe the US takes the same view. It may be an English speaking country thing or a fear of being sued.

The only exception I know is that there is a requirement under the Human Rights Act (which I think is also in the UN Charter on HR) to provide such a service to those arrested, charged, tried for a crime.

In times of austerity it is right to question such things and it is expensive to provide.

Rinoa

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Anyone seen this?

Link

Excellent speech. I'm hoping we see more like that when the TV debates start.

Moby

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Comments on this forum.

:eek: Serious. Make no mistake if we Brexit the rest of the EU will make us pay time and time again!
Hopefully in three weeks this madness will be over and the little Englander lemmings can retire permanently to the golf club bar and put the world to rights with those who choose to join them there!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36419815

CLAPTON

Moby wrote: »

:eek: Serious. Make no mistake if we Brexit the rest of the EU will make us pay time and time again!
Hopefully in three weeks this madness will be over and the little Englander lemmings can retire permanently to the golf club bar and put the world to rights with those who choose to join them there!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36419815

the only way the EU can make the people of the UK suffer is to inflict suffering on the people of the EU27

why you support such people is beyond belief but I guess you have along histroy of supporting mad lefty bigotry that damages ordinary people : think about the poor people of Venzsuela

gfplux

An article in the main Luxembourg Newspaper (English Edition)

(AFP/NG) Luxembourg, Ireland and the Netherlands would be the first of Britain's EU partners to bear the brunt if voters back an exit

http://www.wort.lu/en/luxembourg/oecd-warning-luxembourg-among-top-countries-set-to-bear-brunt-of-brexit-574ef8c7ac730ff4e7f614bf

Rather surprised at the three top country's that will be damaged by the Brexit.

michaels

gfplux wrote: »

An article in the main Luxembourg Newspaper (English Edition)

(AFP/NG) Luxembourg, Ireland and the Netherlands would be the first of Britain's EU partners to bear the brunt if voters back an exit

http://www.wort.lu/en/luxembourg/oecd-warning-luxembourg-among-top-countries-set-to-bear-brunt-of-brexit-574ef8c7ac730ff4e7f614bf

Rather surprised at the three top country's that will be damaged by the Brexit.

Luxembourg..as in Amazon et al will no longer be able to avoid uk vat...thats got to be worth a few hundred million

tommysaver

Sorry, can I ask a basic question quickly.

If we do vote to leave, who is then in charge of making up 'our' laws, who controls 'our' money, sets out taxes, etc? The current government in charge? Do WE get a say in what we want to happen?

It's all well and good leaving, but who's actually going to be implementing the changes, and how do we know they won't be equally as silly as some of the EU's laws?

Thanks.

CLAPTON

gfplux wrote: »

An article in the main Luxembourg Newspaper (English Edition)

(AFP/NG) Luxembourg, Ireland and the Netherlands would be the first of Britain's EU partners to bear the brunt if voters back an exit

http://www.wort.lu/en/luxembourg/oecd-warning-luxembourg-among-top-countries-set-to-bear-brunt-of-brexit-574ef8c7ac730ff4e7f614bf

Rather surprised at the three top country's that will be damaged by the Brexit.

presumably, Ireland, LUxembourg and Netherlands are already working to minimise damage to their economies and to ensure a smooth path to brexit.

TrickyTree83

gfplux wrote: »

An article in the main Luxembourg Newspaper (English Edition)

(AFP/NG) Luxembourg, Ireland and the Netherlands would be the first of Britain's EU partners to bear the brunt if voters back an exit

http://www.wort.lu/en/luxembourg/oecd-warning-luxembourg-among-top-countries-set-to-bear-brunt-of-brexit-574ef8c7ac730ff4e7f614bf

Rather surprised at the three top country's that will be damaged by the Brexit.

Those countries exposed to the UK economy would be in a position where thoughts of revenge could quite easily backfire. I would have thought those countries would be on our side in looking for a smooth transition, especially those countries with a fragile economic system and those exposed to a bailout should a crisis occur. By no means is it the entire 27 member bloc but it does concern the major players in the EU. As others have pointed out, I agree, it only takes a small eastern European nation who isn't as exposed to dig their heels in to cause problems, out of all the possibilities I would think this is the most likely. Which is part of the problem with the EU in the first place.

TrickyTree83

tommysaver wrote: »

Sorry, can I ask a basic question quickly.

If we do vote to leave, who is then in charge of making up 'our' laws, who controls 'our' money, sets out taxes, etc? The current government in charge? Do WE get a say in what we want to happen?

It's all well and good leaving, but who's actually going to be implementing the changes, and how do we know they won't be equally as silly as some of the EU's laws?

Thanks.

It could be just as silly or even worse! It could also be better.

But you're asking the wrong question in my opinion. It's not "What are they going to change it to?" or "Will it be better or worse?" these questions miss the point and only scrape the surface. You should be asking, and I would hope the rest of the British electorate will be asking themselves the same thing (I doubt it though):

"Are the people making these decisions accountable to democratic process?"

Meaning, if you don't like what they're doing you can vote for someone else. If enough people agree with your view then whoever you have voted for will be elected to carry out what they told you they would do.

The problem with the EU is that is not the case. The people within the EU commission are impervious to democratic process. There is simply no way for the general public to get rid of them. So in terms of the EU, your general election vote counts for diddly squat. For example if I was selected as the EU commissioner for the UK and I proposed that everyone with the name "tommysaver" was taxed 100% and it passed, there would be absolutely nothing anyone could do about it unless a majority of the commissioners agreed to repeal it. And if they're doing quite well out of taxing you 100%, why would they, they can't be voted out! Therein lies just one of the many problems with the EU.

IF the EU was a collaboration of national governments, friends, allies and trading partners it would be a far more suitable organisation.

So if we left the EU it means that the UK government of the day has absolute power over all UK affairs. Which in turn means that if you as a voter are not happy about how they are performing then every 5 years you can vote against them according to your views, and as I said earlier if enough people feel the same way the government of the day changes and the next government can "fix" the problems the previous government created. Basically - if we leave, your vote actually counts.