If we vote for Brexit what happens

Ballard

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Translation:

I don't like reading that a major EU country is not doing quite as well as pro-EU supporters tell me it is.

Not at all. What I don't agree with is declaring that you know what someone else is thinking. The poster of whose post I originally did just that and now so have you.

For the record I have no idea what you're thinking and won't therefore say that I do. I am not a complete moron.

Tromking

Ballard wrote: »

..............I am not a complete moron.

Fair enough, we'll call it a work in progress.

Ballard

Tromking wrote: »

Fair enough, we'll call it a work in progress.

I know some very intelligent Brexiteers so I know that they're not all idiots.

gfplux

cogito wrote: »

Nothing will happen until after the GE. Then nothing will happen in July and August when Brussels goes on holiday. Then nothing will happen until after the German elections.

That's 6 months gone already.

Talks to start on June 19th if Britain wants to turn up!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/19/brexit-uk-eu-talks-start-19-june

The EU’s chief negotiator, Michel Barnier, has pencilled in 19 June for the first formal day of talks with Britain about its withdrawal from the European Union, in what are being billed as the most important negotiations in the country’s history.

That highly symbolic morning, Barnier will face whoever is the British Brexit secretary after the election for the first day of an arduous 15 months of negotiations to hammer out the terms of the UK’s exit.

gfplux

cogito wrote: »

Interesting piece in the Graun.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/18/brexit-talks-could-collapse-over-uk-divorce-bill-says-eu-negotiator

Germany and France won't make up the UK's contributions and recipients like Poland won't accept less money. This from Barnier and not some Europhobe.

Doesn't sound to me like the UK will be negotiating from a position of weakness as Remoaners would want us to believe.

Britains contribution is not being discussed or negotiated, those payments end in March 2019.
What has to be agreed is what Britain will pay of the financial commitments Britain has made beyond that date and how much Britain should pay towards other financial issues.
What non of us know is what are the consequences of the divorce talks breaking down (over this or other matters on the agenda)
You may believe that Britain is in the stronger position which is probably based on your opinion. I don't have an opinion as I have no idea which side has the stronger hand.

StevieJ

You couldn't make it up.

Brexit-loving Wetherspoons boss is worried about limits on EU workers. .

https://www.bloomberg.com/gadfly/articles/2017-05-19/even-the-pub-landlord-hates-theresa-may-s-migrant-cap?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=bd&utm_campaign=headline&cmpId=yhoo.headline&yptr=yahoo

gfplux

bugslet wrote: »

I listen to R4 in the morning and twice a banking interviewee has said that if London were to lose its international hub reputation, it would be more likely move to either New York or the Far East rather than Frankfurt or Paris.

Good post viva, far too rtional for DT though:)

Very good point.
To maintain passporting rights Financial company can open small Company's/offices within the EU, but you are quite right. There is growing talk that a major move to New York or the Far East could be the answer to longer term worry about the viability of London.
Brexit could result that everyone loses.

gfplux

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Now the campaign to rejoin begins.

And we've seen the playbook for how to win such a campaign...

There will be no coming together - no re-uniting of society.

The leave campaigners spent the last few decades being as disruptive about Europe as they could, while their allies in the gutter press stirred up anti-EU sentiment based largely on divisiveness, exaggerations and often even outright fake news.

For pro-Europeans it is now their duty to actively resist and disrupt the process to take Britain out of the EU via any legal, political or civic protest means possible - and whilst sadly we will indeed be leaving for now - then the campaign to rejoin will begin.

We will ensure that just as much pressure is brought to bear against the leavers as was against the EU for the last few decades, and continue to speak out and hold the government and leave campaign to account.

It is naive and frankly arrogant for Theresa May to expect that the people who wished to remain as EU citizens should now just roll over and accept the loss of their rights, their EU citizenship, and their freedoms.

Britain is divided and will only become more so.

And if breaking up the UK via democratic action in some or all of Scotland, Northern Ireland and Gibraltar protects the democratically expressed choice of the people in those nations to stay in the EU then so be it.

Theresa May is likely to be remembered as nothing but a total failure - the Unionist PM who lost the Union....

I could not have said it better.

Thrugelmir

gfplux wrote: »

There is growing talk that a major move to New York or the Far East could be the answer to longer term worry about the viability of London.

New York is already far bigger. Chinese and Indian banks by default are going to become the new major players. It's European banks as a whole that are going to be under pressure.

sheffield_lad

An interesting view of avoiding the cliff edge,

"An independent panel of economists that advises the German government has also intervened by proposing a plan that would avert such a cliff-edge scenario, whereby Britain would temporarily rejoin Efta – the trading block that consists of Switzerland, Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein – at the point when its EU membership runs out and therefore preserve its membership of the single market.
Making such a “reverse Efta” a temporary stepping stone would avert irreparable damage to the British and German economy and allow Theresa May to satisfy the tabloid press’s demand for a swift exit, argued Albrecht Ritschl, one of the four authors of the letter. "

“A phased Brexit using Efta as a stepladder to put integration with the EU into reverse would give Theresa May a symbolic clear break with the EU at an early stage of the exit process, since Britain would no longer be subject to the rulings of the European court of justice”, said Ritschl, who is also an economist at the London School of Economics."