If we vote for Brexit what happens

cogito

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

In yet another example of the EU's domineering stance, Poland rejects an EU threat to penalise Poland over migration issues:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/04/05/poland-hits-back-eu-bullying-not-possible-bloc-punish-poland-migrants/

Also against what Poles perceive as unfairness regarding an EU directive on air pollution:

http://www.thenews.pl/1/2/Artykul/301301,Poland-appeals-against-EU-directive-on-air-pollution-report

This remember whilst Poland's PM asks that "relations between the European Union and Britain should be based on the principles of partnership and reciprocity."
http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/301400,Partnership-and-reciprocity-basis-for-EUUK-relations-Polish-PM

Will the EU themselves persuade more and more members of its parliament to be at least sympathetic to the UK regarding Brexit?
After all, the EU's resolution on Brexit was passed by 516 votes to 133 with 50 abstaining.

Since the UK has 73 MEP's and assuming all voted against (I know, but for ease) does that not already mean that 60 voted against the EU resolution and 50 abstained?
Combined that is 110 out of what should be a total of 678 when UK MEP's are excluded.

This has the potential to become more interesting than many realise IMHO.

The ECJ will be ruling shortly about whether the EU can compel member states to accept immigrant quotas. On past form the court will agree with the EU. Poland and Hungary and possibly the other Visegrads will kick back on this as it is consitutionally unacceptable. Only they can decide who can live in their countries. This has the makings of a first class row. At least the UK won't be part of it.

mrginge

davomcdave wrote: »

I assume that either a machine or a person can pick strawberries. Mea culpa. If I am wrong what else could pick them? Is there a huge reserve of trained dog strawberry pickers that I was previously unaware of?
Show me a website selling strawberry picking machines.
Costs can't be passed on when there are others able to sell in your place. Tesco can just as easily buy strawberries from its suppliers of tomatoes in the Netherlands and Spain as it can from Suffolk.
The fact is that if you raise costs in a low margin industry and revenues can't increase to match it then the marginal producers will go bust.

This is just pointless. Honestly.

What's pointless is dreaming up some very narrow self-serving scenario and extrapolating it out to a uk-wide perspective.

Productivity isn't just as noddy as buy a machine to like-for-like replace a human you know.

Moby

StevieJ wrote: »

The ultra Libertarian Right fancy their chances of making an impact 'Post Brexit' If they get a foothold it could be back to Victorian Britain, get a job or starve.

What a class ridden little country we live in.....let them eat cake!.......Theresa May had to charter a plane for her recent trip to the Middle East as Prince Charles had booked the official Royal Air Force jet, it has emerged. The prime minister flew on a Boeing 757 to Jordan and Saudi Arabia for her three-day visit, while the prince travelled in Europe on the RAF Voyager. About £10m was spent refitting the Airbus A330 for royals and ministers. Clarence House said the Prince of Wales' and Duchess of Cornwall's tour was booked before the PM's trip. The prince, who stopped in Austria, Romania and Italy during the nine-day tour, was joined by his personal doctor, an artist to capture scenic vistas, and a hairdresser for the duchess...........meanwhile us in Public services haven't had a decent pay rise for years.....but it's all going to be sorted because it's the EU's fault!

Conrad

Moby wrote: »

What a class ridden little country we live in.....let them eat cake

Quite, the mask well and truly slipped from the faces of pious progressives deriding working class Brexit voters. I always knew they were arrogance snobs, but it was good to see it come out into the sunlight for all to see.

Moby

Conrad wrote: »

Quite, the mask well and truly slipped from the faces of pious progressives deriding working class Brexit voters. I always knew they were arrogance snobs, but it was good to see it come out into the sunlight for all to see.

I'd rather be a 'pious progressive' than a right wing hypocrite posturing as a working class hero! I see your 'man' Bannon has just been ditched by the Donald by the way.............reality beginning to bite on the right wing resurgence against the forces of liberalism????

gfplux

davomcdave wrote: »

Yes, how stupid of me. 48% of the UK's population is a completely homogeneous mass. Do you actually believe this rubbish? I sincerely hope not. How do you think the harvest was brought in before the EEC? It wasn't a bunch of ruddy-faced yeomen earning a living wage while cheerily stacking potatoes into baskets weaved by their wives. Generally the harvest was brought in by poorly paid urban workers who spent their annual holidays living in tents and picking whatever it was needed to be picked.

That source of labour has pretty much all gone. I guess you could get students to bring in the harvest if you messed about with the university year a bit but you appear to dismiss Millennials as being a bunch of sooks that get upset if their iPhones get dirty.

So let's imagine that there is this group of unemployed or underemployed British working class that wants to get out in the fields come rain and shine to sing merry songs in return for an honest day's pay and maybe the odd snaffled strawberry. How much do you think they'll earn and what extra costs have to be imposed on British farmers in your Utopia before they can no longer compete with EU-based farmers who can still access cheap eastern European labour?

We can tell exactly how competitive British farming is at present by the vast amounts of food imported each year. Paying out more in wages isn't going to make British farming more competitive and the more expensive British food gets the more British families will buy cheaper food from abroad.

I suppose you could import your strawberries from India or Canada. How much does it cost in air freight to bring them over? I prefer my strawberries to be fresh rather than a month old by the time they hit the shelves.

You should also remember that Farmers do not directly employ all these "low paid immigrants" this work has almost all been sub contracted to gangmasters who provide workers on demand and simplify the Farmers paperwork with one invoice and no contracts of employment.
Who are we to blame the farmers the supermarkets or the EU.

Conrad

Moby wrote: »

I'd rather be a 'pious progressive' than a right wing hypocrite posturing as a working class hero!

'Progressives' are invariably charlatans that look down upon the working class, and see themselves as superior and of high moral fibre. They talk on behalf of the working class but are totally disconnected.


Right wingers do not disguise who they are, unlike charlatan 'progressives' that are hypocrites at every turn. Gotta love fat cat multi millionaire comedians and artistes that frame wealthy right wingers as fat cats, yet are blinded to their own wealth hoarding and lust for money.


Laurie Penny demanded a huge appearance fee for a charity event - absolutely typical of this charlatan faux social justice warrior.


They decry greed and yet are extremely greedy when it comes to their own book deals / speech making fees.



Right wingers do what it says on the tin, 'progressives' disguise their greed, selfishness and arrogance. Nobody falls for it anymore, the working class find these people odd and irrelevant. The offence taking safe space brigade of social justice warriors in their own bedsit.

gfplux

kabayiri wrote: »

The rate of change will increase, that's what is different.

Technological progress is not linear. It never has been.

Key enablers arrive which provide a jump in our capability.

Advanced materials management and machine autonomy will soon reach a point where we have to rethink our approach to the remaining division of work.

Brexit can be an opportunity to do things differently and perhaps that will be the way that leaving the EU can be turned (in time) in to a positive.
If the source of cheap labour is cut off then investment in robotics and even greater mechanisation in present and new industry's could create a bright future, but for who?
However I now hear that the British position on Brexit is weakening over FoM. Frankly the shock of halting freedom of movement in March 2019 might just be the revolution that Britain needs.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

gfplux wrote: »

You remarks are either strange or angry but I suspect your anger got the better of you.

I cannot help but wonder why - when anyone either disagrees with you or proves you wrong - you call them "angry".
As I have said before, no.
I am most certainly not angry.
Sorry if that disappoints you.

My remarks are only strange because you cannot or will not see that I objected to your intentional misdirection, in suggesting that the EU has played no part in the direction British farming has taken.

As you also presumably deny EU responsibility for other crazy farming subsidies which for example have lead to wine lakes and butter mountains, or the overly-complex CAP system?

I would love to know where these "legions of Unemployed Townies" (sic) are for example when UK employment is at a record high?
So you appear to have a very narrow, blinkered view of farming difficulties AND their causes which probably explains why "no one on this forum seams to care."

setmefree2

UK keen for free trade deal with Australia, Liam Fox tells Canberra MPs

Britain’s international trade secretary makes a personal submission to Australian parliamentary committee examining ties

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/apr/06/uk-keen-for-free-trade-deal-with-australia-liam-fox-tells-canberra-mps