If we vote for Brexit what happens

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

No I'm fairly confident my view would lead to a millions leaving abject poverty a generation or multiple generations early.

Your view wouldn't lead anything as it's not doing its waiting

maybe : a million every generation is 1 million per 30 years?

so in 60 years that's 0.025% of the world's population (say 8 billion) which isn't worth the possible deaths of 100 of millions
and that's ignoring that fact that you don't seem to be inviting the people in abject poverty but the educated and skillful

kabayiri

cells wrote: »

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To me immigration is more about aid and fairness. A lot of the migrants come here for a better life I just don't see why I should turn them away even if it hurts me slightly it helps them greatly. Like giving to charity. There will of course be a limit but I think that limit is in the order of 1% a year (1% = 650k a year) at which point I would probably seek a cap too.

Not a big fan of fairness really. I think it's a middle class obsession.

I prefer aid to be delivered by charity.

cells

kabayiri wrote: »

Not a big fan of fairness really. I think it's a middle class obsession.

I prefer aid to be delivered by charity.

This type of aid doesn't cost much and many argue its a net benefit to the UK. So its like giving aid and getting paid for it.

cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

maybe : a million every generation is 1 million per 30 years?

so in 60 years that's 0.025% of the world's population (say 8 billion) which isn't worth the possible deaths of 100 of millions
and that's ignoring that fact that you don't seem to be inviting the people in abject poverty but the educated and skillful

I don't see where you are getting the death of hundreds of millions if immigrations continues?

Also we are just one country I would hope the richer 1 billion nations all allow 1% a year so it would be 10 million per year saved.

Or we could of course give out more real development aid. Eg build out a good electricity infrastructure in Africa and help speed up such deployment in the poorer Asian countries. We might even need offshore some jobs to help kick start some economies. However I am somewhat skeptical we would do this as a real effort rather than a show.

antrobus

cells wrote: »

I don't see where you are getting the death of hundreds of millions if immigrations continues?...

Project Fear takes many forms.

CLAPTON

antrobus wrote: »

Project Fear takes many forms.

are there many examples from history where mass movement of people hasn't caused wars and killings?

antrobus

CLAPTON wrote: »

are there many examples from history where mass movement of people hasn't caused wars and killings?

I'd guess that the 'mass movement' of a number of Poles, Romanians, and such like to the UK might well have had a number of consequences. But 'wars and killings'? I must have missed that one.

Perhaps you read a different newspaper to the rest of us.:)

CLAPTON

antrobus wrote: »

I'd guess that the 'mass movement' of a number of Poles, Romanians, and such like to the UK might well have had a number of consequences. But 'wars and killings'? I must have missed that one.

Perhaps you read a different newspaper to the rest of us.:)

OK you are referring to relatively small movements of people coming to a stable and tolerant society: the discussion was in the context world wide movements of peoples and the desirability of unlimited freedom of movement.

cells

CLAPTON wrote: »

OK you are referring to relatively small movements of people coming to a stable and tolerant society: the discussion was in the context world wide movements of peoples and the desirability of unlimited freedom of movement.

Can you cite any examples in modern times?

All I can think of rigjt now are the Americans killing the native Indians but that certainly wasn't millions let alone hundreds of millions and that was quite a while back.

How do you think these hundreds of millions dead will come about? Sounds like a stupid belief and view you should drop that one makes you look a joke

CLAPTON

cells wrote: »

Can you cite any examples in modern times?

All I can think of rigjt now are the Americans killing the native Indians but that certainly wasn't millions let alone hundreds of millions and that was quite a while back.

How do you think these hundreds of millions dead will come about? Sounds like a stupid belief and view you should drop that one makes you look a joke

One has to see the number of dead and the number of migrants in relation to the populations at that time.
At the time of the decline of the native american the world population was probably less than a few hundred million so it would be truely remarkable if 100 million died in N America at that time
I would be interested to know what your estimate of the number of native american that died and your estimate of the world population at that time
similarly you could give your estimate of the percentage of tasmanian natives that deceased.

you could consider the estimates of people that died when the mass migration occurs when india and pakistan were created

Most mass migrations in history have been been via a large armed force.